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Riots are a last resort because people end up dead or in jail if they fail. You want to keep people who are on your side free and alive while achieving your goals.
Love this quote, everyone starts with the last sentence and sometimes include a few sentences after that but I think this section is the most generically useful bit. This applies everywhere for every struggle of the oppressed.
For context this is the full quote, where MLK Jr. condemns riots but also equally condemns the conditions that cause people to riot: inequality, injustice, lack of humanity, lack of progress.
Wise words, but I think even MLK Jr would say take the peaceful approach first. You have to give peace a chance. If that doesn't work, you escalate from there, but you don't go scorched earth without trying the alternatives first.
He used peace because the bigots seeing "inferior violent savages" organizing peaceful protests made them more uncomfortable than if they were violent. It's not because he thought violent protest was outright bad, just not as useful in his circumstances. He worked along side of organizers who did use violence. His approach was likely strengthened by this. Also, so many of his protests were called riots by the media. If you take a stand against the monied, they will use it to make your movement appear violent and evil even when it's not.
You do understand I'm not saying "riots and violence don't have a place", they absolutely do. What I'm saying is don't go straight to riots and violence unless peaceful options have been exhausted. The French and US revolutions were two prime examples of violence bringing change, and I can't say there was anything wrong with what the people were doing as those in power refused to accept peaceful resolution.
His way was nonviolent, not peaceful.
What he was doing and why is often buried in history class - you could put it as "exploiting the system until everyone feels the hurt"
Civil disobedience wasn't about a message or public sentiment - they were about getting arrested. You make a scene, the police are called, you refuse to cooperate until they're forced to arrest you.
Having been arrested, they either let you go and you do it again, or they charge you - and now you're in the court system. Now you have standing to challenge the laws, appeal to higher courts, and counter-sue
They tied up the courts, ground businesses to a halt, and disrupted people's lives
It wasn't physically violent, but it was violent in a more metaphorical way. They didn't win over hearts and minds... They just made it more politically costly to keep fighting them off than to give in
And there's an argument to be made that this all wouldn't have worked without the black Panthers... Their purpose was to show up armed when the police came to black neighborhoods. They were an unspoken threat - we're playing within the rules of the system, but if you break them all bets are off
Yeah I'm not gonna die for what? So others get to reap the reward? The only reward I got to reap is other people's greed. I'm not dying for your kids lol.
You're allowed to decide where your moral responsibilities lie. I will say that "I'm not going to do anything that has no value for me personally" is a take that's caused a lot of the ills plaguing the world today. Not suggesting you have to die for others but remember that a rising tide raises all ships, and a better world will be better for everyone, including you and the people you care about.
"I'm not the one being oppressed so I'll just sit back and watch" is the stance the US tried to take in WWII until it affected them personally and just imagine how things could have turned out had they stayed that course.