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Tell all that to my family member. Once he’s out of the hospital and not in danger of the exact procedures Trump pushed hard for giving him some kind of currently-life-threatening infection, we can rap about jurisdiction and industrial numbers.
Sure, it’s hard to be precise about the outcomes what some theoretical more competent administration might have done differently. But yes, Trump’s measures killed some number of people, and gave some number more disability that lasts to the present day. Thousands? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Like I say, once my family isn’t actively directly being endangered by the lasting after effects of his malicious policies, we can have a calm debate about it.
I don't need to argue on a emotional level, there have been many covid deaths everywhere and many people with long covid. And again, i said Trump made it worse, this doesn't mean its Trumps fault, it was also the people around him and like half of the US population that did not listen. Trump is a asshole and a idiot, but politics don't work alone, the senate also fucked up, the local governments fucked up, the people that protested to reopen the hairdressers and shit like that fucked up, the companys that shifted their entire production to China did... There where and are so many fuck ups its impossible to measure a single part of it. Oh and guess what! It will happen again.
It is not an emotional argument to point out that the MAGA bullshit of people wearing masks or getting vaccines making them the enemy is purely a Trump-world invention, with aftereffects continuing to and beyond the present day. Same goes for that stuff being of a totally different and explicitly malicious kind than the simple errors that some government body might commit that was trying to address the crisis, instead of using it simply as another way to pursue its overt policy of going to war with all sensible people everywhere, in any way they could find.
And it happens that I have an example directly and personally relevant to me, but there are plenty of families all across the country who have the same. Quite a lot of them have lost family members. I know some of those families with dead members. It's not just an anecdote.
I think I've spent as long as I need to on this. If you want to say that Trump didn't kill a fuck of a lot of people, as a direct result of prioritizing his culture-war bullshit over literally saving lives (or that that killing of people more or less on purpose is not a problem), I don't know what to say to you.
They never said that, they explicitly stated that trump made it worse, just that he wasn’t the only cause of it.
I seem to remember trump pushing vaccines, if for no other reason than that he could say he helped with their development
Okay
I’m gonna channel all the anger I just felt in a productive direction
Trump did not “fuck up”. He succeeded at what he was trying to do, which goal was horrifying. “This doesn’t mean it’s Trump’s fault” is a load of horseshit, because a large part of the catastrophe was very much his fault. I feel like I’ve spent enough time breaking down why and how. If you want to pretend something else happened in the conversation, so you can keep a disagreement going with me for literally no reason at all, I have no plans to engage with it further.
Productive effort in a productive direction is incoming.
I’ll wait to see your productive effort in a productive direction then
I’ll let you know