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He is right
He is, but that doesn't make it the wrong thing to do either.
Strictly IMO based on nothing- I'm not convinced Red Bull or anyone else thinks Yuki has a ceiling much higher than where he's currently at. Red Bull is unfortunately cursed with comparing everyone to Max so they are perpetually hunting for someone as good or better than he is, and Yuki hasn't had those breakout moments to sway their leadership.
The series has seen countless drivers in the same situation with various teams through the years. It's a very cutthroat, money influenced, flavor-of-the-week culture that not a lot of people get the chance to thrive in.
I don't think RB is trying to get someone as good or better than Max, I think RB is trying to get a balance of someone who is good enough to maximise points without challenging Max, while at the same time being good for sponsorship deals and marketing.
It'd be great if RB hired a "Rosberg", but that's not what they're after.
Why wouldn't they be? Every team should be searching for the best available option for every seat, not some lukewarm placeholder to collect the scraps.
Because having two equally fast and strong headed drivers is often counterproductive to a teams goal because they will fight with each other instead to working together for the benefit of the team. See alpines line up now or their previous line up with Alonso and ocon
Because that's totally never happened with Max and Checo? Team orders to swap places that get ignored, second guessing radio calls about strategy compared to your teammate, etc.
Shit happens. Teams know this. Teams just want to win. Even going back to Lewis and Nico, Merc kept Nico until he chose to leave them, even through the conflict.
But speculation and opinions are all part of the fun of F1. We can always count on the teams to do some crazy shit for some random reason.
Yeah I don't remember any incident where perez refused to swap places with max when he was ahead and the only time max was asked to swap for perez to go ahead was when max was racing with a damaged car. Usually max is around 10-50 seconds ahead of perez so there is no chance of them sabotaging each others races
While this is true, their decision to keep bottas alongside Hamilton in every season after 2017 was substantially influenced by the fact that they did not want to create a toxic atmosphere like what they had with Lewis and Nico by getting a better, more competitive driver.
Besides when he drove across the line while GP had a heart attack telling him to let Checo through lol. It is what it is, I'm just saying there is always conflict no matter what.
It's in every team's interest to pursue the fastest drivers, imo.
Not for whoever was number one, but fuck number two and how they might feel about it. Valtteri was pretty candid about how damaging it was to be in that role, and seemed pretty happy to be away from it when he signed with Alfa Romeo.
Yeah ethically having a designated number two is not a good thing. The number two is mentally and emotionally affected in a major way but F1 is a cutthroat sport where the team is only looking for what's best for it
I explained why.
And hiring/keeping Perez is proof they don't want the highest performing available option for both seats. It probably isn't a controversial opinion that Perez isn't one of the best on the grid.
Yeah. Extending Perez's contract while sainz was available is a clear sign that they wanted what was better for the team. Just turned out that perez has become so slow that he is not able to fulfil his role of supporting Verstappen.
Which according to me is perfect for them. They want somebody solid, consistent and fast but not enough to threaten Verstappen. Yuki fits this bill. If they actually wanted somebody who would beat Verstappen in a straight fight occassionally they would have jumped at opportunity to bring in sainz. What they want is a driver what bottas was to merc and I believe yuki could be that
There is nobody fitting this bill in the RB stables (or outside for that matter). Neither did perez fit this bill so then hiring him seems an odd decision. Lawson and hadjar dont fit these requirements either and since they are rookies throwing them into Verstappen infested waters seems more like a plan to destroy their career than advance it.
People say this all the time completely ignoring the fact that Red Bull was courting Lando when they thought they had a chance to sign him alongside Max.
Any team that is consciously and actively dumbing down their lineup is making a mistake, imo.
Yeah I am aware of this. I think the reason Lando is exempt from this 'should not fight Verstappen requirement' because of 3 factors :-
The above points are why I believe that Lando gets a pass so to say. If they actually wanted to put the best available driver in perez's seat, they would be putting sainz in there but they don't want that as sainz doesn't bring the benefits that Lando brings. They either want a driver who is the best fit for the team or someone who is quick enough that they are willing to work around the negatives of such a line-up.
Edit : just want to say how good I feel to have discussions like these here on lemmy. The community here is pretty small as compared to reddit so I was missing these long but respectful discussions like these. Cheers @[email protected]
I would argue he's the only one who's been a legitimate talent comparison to Max that Red Bull had even a sniff of a chance to sign. George is a great talent but his fate has been in Mercedes hands for years, who were quick to shove him next to Lewis knowing full well there would be conflicts when neither wanted to be number two.
The talent coming up from the feeder series has been locked down too besides Oscar (lol) but by and large has been lukewarm as well until recently.
I see/understand your points, but I'm not convinced that's what is actually happening. There's so many variables though who's to say what the truth is until everyone retires and tells the stories.