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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

you're responding to someone who said "I've been referred to as cis as an insult" by saying "no you haven't."

No I'm not. I'm specifically acknowledging their experience and then pointing out that it's not universal nor even the norm.

It "shouldn't take too long of a step back" to realize that replying with a strawman is not a great thing to do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You acknowledged them which was great, and then immediately turned around and started re-educating them. It was a valuable message to get out into the world, but a victim recounting their experiences is NOT the audience you should be trying to educate.

Just say "I'm sorry that happened to you, some people are scumbags, being cis is totally fine" and redouble your zeal to spread that message in a more appropriate setting.

Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying I doubt your intentions. What I am saying is that it wasn't very tactful or self-aware.

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pointing out that it's not universal or even the norm

That's called "denying someone else's experience." Again, it's about the worst way you can possibly comfort someone who is talking about when they were hurt. It doesn't matter if you think it's common: it happened to them. Even if they were the only person in the world that had happened to, knowing that wouldn't make them feel better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

You acknowledged them which was great, and then immediately turned around and started re-educating them

No, I provided the wider context. Please stop with the ridiculous strawmen.

Also:

pointing out that it's not universal or even the norm

That's called "denying someone else's experience."

No it isn't. That's like saying that it's denying the existence of octopi to say that there are other animal life in the oceans.

The original topic was whether or not the word "cis" is inherently a slur or an insult. I acknowledged their experience and then brought the discussion back on topic.

Again, it's about the worst way you can possibly comfort someone who is talking about when they were hurt.

They said themselves that they weren't overly bothered by it in the first place. Stop pretending that I'm callously retraumatising them by acknowledging their experience and then getting back on topic.

It doesn't matter if you think it's common: it happened to them

I fucking KNOW and I acknowledged it ffs!

The reason I brought it back on topic was that the anecdotal experience of one person, no matter how real and traumatic, doesn't override the fact that most resistance to the word is a bad faith effort meant to re-other trans people in order to more easily abuse and dismiss them with no negative repercussions for the abusers.

THAT'S what it's about and frankly, your continued insistence on missing the point is starting to smell suspicious..