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Armed to deter cops (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You just posted a federalist society goon. He's one of the people that worked on the great American project to make abortion illegal, and the president a king. I mean, you're trying to prove your point by posting the arguments of an extreme right wing lawyer https://fedsoc.org/contributors/stephen-halbrook

The text of the second amendment is pretty clearly talking about militias, and the history shows the same. The individualist interpretation is very recent, and Heller was a shitty decision written by the most corrupt supreme coirt justice. https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2020/10/why-heller-is-such-bad-history

I'm not anti-gun. I respect the fuck out of the people in OP, who are doing what they can to stay safe. I wouldn't discourage them from doing so. but I hate right wing propaganda

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm unsure what you're arguing against.

To my knowledge, the link I provided wasn't a treatise on individual ownership or saying that it wasn't about militias. It was a direct rebuttal to the idea that the 2nd amendment was proposed to protect slavery.

I was unaware of Halbrook's associations, so thank you for bringing that to my attention. However, even a broken clock is right twice a day. If you'd like to change my mind about this, I'd like to see a direct rebuttal of the facts and arguments presented.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I'm arguing against the idea that the second amendment was designed to protect individuals against tyrannical government

I didn't say it was specifically/exclusively to protect slavery. I didn't say anything about slave rebellions. The constitution was all about balancing the power of wealthy landed slaveholders of the south with the wealthy landed urbanites of the north. Ensuring state militias was one element of that balancing act.

Pretending the second amendment was written to protect against tyrannical governments is ahistorical right wing propaganda. * Unless you view it as one sovereign being protected from the tyranny of another. Eg Virginia is protected from the tyranny of Pennsylvania or vis versa

If you want to read a rebuttal of halbrooks legal theory, read the Heller dissents

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Okay. But, I didn't say anything about tyrannical governments, either. Only that the 2nd amendment didn't seem to be driven by any sort of slave related anything, per the history presented in the link I read.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Then you missed the context of my post! Look at the comment I was replying to

Someone said the point of the second amendment was always about fighting tyrannical government. Then I replied.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Ah, so you did. That's fair.