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One House Democrat said he spoke for others in the wake of the president’s stunningly feeble debate performance on Thursday: “The movement to convince Biden to not run is real.”

The House member, an outspoken defender of the president, said that House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer should consider “a combined effort” to nudge President Joe Biden out of the race.

Crestfallen by the president’s weak voice, pallid appearance and meandering answers, numerous Democratic officials said Biden’s bet on an early debate to rebut unceasing questions about his age had not only backfired but done damage that may prove irreversible. The president had, in the first 30 minutes of the debate, fully affirmed doubts about his fitness.

A second House Democrat said “reflection is needed” from Biden about the way ahead and indicated the private text threads among lawmakers were even more dire, with some saying outright that the president needed to drop out of the race.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I agree with a push for EV for new cars.

I agree with more environmentally friendly regulations because I'm a moderate Republican.

But EVs are not necessarily something I can get behind. The EV Hummer emits more carbon than a normal ICE Honda Civic. When you "Democrats" are so blinded by your EV love that you start harming the country and causing more carbon pollution from your 8000lb inefficient EVs... and yet write the laws to encourage them anyway, it becomes blatantly obvious that yall have also just been captured by the EV manufacturers rather than actually caring about the environment anymore.

A serious environmental bill would be... well... like Biden's bill. Something I can get behind and support because its actually based on environmental standards rather than blatantly handing out money to EV manufacturers.


Biden has proven himself to be... well not a conservative... but at least someone who cares about the fundamentals of the regulations he pushes. He's not someone I can 100% agree with, but he's far better of a candidate than pretty much every other Democrat I've seen.

If yall are going to push environmental standards, at least have them make sense. With how Newsom pushed his ACCII standard, its utterly shit.

I agree that Biden doesn't sound good on stage. But there's actions, regulations, and details with how Biden actually governs. These details are far better than many other politicians.

In any case, if the Democrats have lost faith in Biden, figure out a replacement before you get rid of him. He's not as bad as the mass media thinks. There's reasons why the far-right are thinking that the mass-media is "tricking them", because we all see that Biden is actually someone who is moderate enough to see the details and nuances of the laws. But obviously, Biden can't win this without Democrats support either, so whatever. Do what you want.

It seems to me, from my more conservative/moderate perspective, that your best chance is to stick with Biden. But I don't have a pulse on what the left feels overall.


Definitely don't cut Biden out for Kamala. Instead, just run Kamala more as a strong VP (possibly Presidential) candidate. People will be asking for more questions about Kamala moving forward.

The plan for "Kamala" is that Biden resigns in January 2025 after the election. Its something everyone would innately understand (Biden stays just for the rest of the election, but we get Kamala). Its the underlying assumption of most voters anyway.

I think that's your next best bet. Because I don't think Kamala can actually run and succeed on the top of the ticket. So having a bit of that weird indirection could be the last push you need to get the more racist to vote for her (albeit indirectly).