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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Collective ptsd is not real and anyone who uses that term should be mocked mercilessly for the rest of their life.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In fact, collective trauma can impact relationships, alter policies and governmental processes, alter the way the society functions, and even change its social norms (Chang, 2017; Hirschberger, 2018; Saul, 2014)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I never said collective trauma does not exist

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

collective trauma refers to the impact of a traumatic experience that affects and involves entire groups of people, communities, or societies. Collective trauma is extraordinary in that not only can it bring distress and negative consequences to individuals but in that it can also change the entire fabric of a community (Erikson, 1976).

I appreciate your efforts but it is a real, scientifically proven phenomenon.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

"Collective trauma" ≠ "collective PTSD"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Sure, but PTSD is a specific disorder that individuals are diagnosed with. If a group of people are unable to work towards a single goal, saying they have "collective ADHD" is imprecise and potentially offensive to people with the diagnosis.

That said, I knew what you meant 🤷

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think there's a couple of people around with collective OCD that just can't stand metaphor.


Jokes aside, and not being a sociologist, I do think it's a good distinction because PTSD implies a maladaptive reaction to trauma, and communities, just like individuals, can process their trauma well or they can mess it up.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It seems to be the accepted term in the scholarly and clinical community.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

"Collective trauma" or "collective PTSD"? The latter is what we were discussing earlier in this thread. It has zero occurrences on Google Ngrams: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Collective+PTSD%2C+collective+trauma&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I was talking about collective trauma which OP was citing, though their initial term is collective PTSD.

Why would you use n-gram and not journal search engine like Google Scholar. There seems to be an engagement in the concept of collective PTSD since about 2007.

Is this an area of research or practice for you? It is not mine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

No, collective trauma is proven. Collective ptsd is not.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Aydin, C. (2017). How to Forget the Unforgettable? On Collective Trauma, Cultural Identity, and Mnemotechnologies, Identity, 17:3, 125-137, DOI: 10.1080/15283488.2017.1340160