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Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.

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Like chicken but tastier: Plant-based nuggets outperform chicken nuggets in world's largest blind tasting (nationalpost.com)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Personally, I take a bit of offense to you drawing equivalence between the distinction of vegans and non-vegans and autistic and allistic people, asexuals vs allosexual people, or trans and cis people. The latter three here being immutable facts of somebody’s being and lived experience, whereas veganism is merely an ideology- no matter how laudable that ideology is, the fact is that it is a freely chosen aspect of their personality or beliefs.

For that reason, southsamurai’s point still has merit that you haven’t addressed, that “carnist” is an attempt to form division and delineation needlessly. Those other examples you gave of descriptors ‘normal’ people take offence to (shame on them) are scientific terms. Carnist is a pure ideological term, and it gives serious hexbear “fucking libs” energy.

If you claim your goal is to get more people into veganism, I would agree it is counterproductive - because non-vegans can become vegans, there’s no need for that othering language. Other descriptors for ‘normal’ people you list are purely descriptors and have utility for that reason, a cis person cannot be made into a trans person, a heterosexual cannot be made into a homosexual person.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I became a vegan because vegancirclejerk made fun of carnists. I'm going to stick with what empirically works. You can save your philosophical rambling for metaphysics, this is an empirically solvable issue.

Also you haven't suggested a better word yet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Of course I have, I have been using it the whole time, non-vegan, it is perfectly descriptive and already used.

I heavily curtailed my meat consumption to the point of eating it a few times a year or so, sure not a gold star vegan, but I and no doubt, others are turned off from being lumped into the same group as steak-every-day ‘red blooded’ self-described ‘carnivores’.

Thanks for sharing how you were persuaded to become vegan, I stopped eating meat following learning of the sheer inefficiency and waste of the meat rearing process, but if you’re saying you respond to ridicule, then more power to you. You should know though, that most people don’t find those methods persuasive.