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Left sectarian attacks on Rage Against the War Machine enabled the indictments of black communists (open.substack.com)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I understand your distrust however I remind you that even utilizing race relations analytics defensively is still viewing the world on terms of race. Marx shows us that method of analysis is useless, it is one which serves to create and then re-enforce capitalism.

I keep coming back to this point because y'all keep doing it: lifting hundred-year old theory with no brushup on what your actual material conditions are. In Marx's time, there was no understanding of the two Amerikas. He looked at it as a singular beast as though we were just another England or France; but that is not the case. In my Amerika, in the Amerika anyone who looks like me is relegated to, we don't get the luxury to not analyze things on a racial line, because that is how the state and how the society both punish us for not staying in our perceived place, never fuckin mind assimilation.

Like, do you realize that when there's only one or two Black folk in a room full of crackers, those Black folk immediately know two things: that they're now 'the fly in the milk' as far as this gathering is concerned, and that the odds of one of those hypothetical white people getting buck and calling cops on us, regardless of what the function says it's for, has skyrocketed? In an age where you've got white cops-- and shit, sometimes Tom-assed Sunken Place'd Black cops blowing us away, we don't get that luxury. We have to know what the danger is, where the danger is, know where the exit is, and have a plan to get there before anything; and right now, I'm seeing all the warning signs of needing an exit.

You might as well ask a fireman to divest himself of PPE before tending to a five-alarm call.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thank you for sharing this. Black Americans are forced down the race rabbit hole because the settler whites (MAGA, the middle class, the racist pigs, etc...) drag you down it. I understand you see things as race for survival. Do you recognize that the slavery economic mode of production from which their terror originates has passed and we are in the capitalist mode of production and with it capitalist relations to the means of production?

This means that the only escape from this terrorism this racist tyranny, is through a working class revolution. America has never had a feudal mode of production. It is likely that if we were to go the way of barbarism here at the point of capitalist crisis instead of socialism, we could very well see slavery come back. This being the backfoot of the bourgeoisie is likely how these settlers still persist similar to how the remnants of the Russian Empire (White Army) persisted in Soviet Russia.

I cannot simply waive my mouse and like magic this contradiction of needing the non-black working class and not trusting the non-black working class will be resolved. I simply as that you listen to the points I've made. The rest is a matter of struggle and solidarity within our class.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you recognize that the slavery economic mode of production from which their terror originates has passed and we are in the capitalist mode of production and with it capitalist relations to the means of production?

The slavery economic mode never passed on; due to the thirteenth amendment, corporations all over Amerika profit off the backs of prison slaves. Who were often pipelined into those cages, given mandatory minimums far beyond what they actually did, mandated to 'work'(read: slave) at the end of a baton, or at the end of deliberate coercive tactics, and then left in a place where their likelihood of recidivism is so high that they'll be right back in clink within six months. The economic mode did not change, it just put on a layer of camouflage that you've fallen for. Because you're not in community with those who've been there.

And y'all don't get in the way one bit. Never have I ever seen a white person interpose themselves between a cop and their soon-to-be victim. What 'working class revolution' can I count on out of y'all when I can't even count on y'all to stop a pig? Speaking of, how am I supposed to believe the collective you would be abolitionists in the event of the return of mask-off, societal chattel slavery in these circumstances where y'all don't even stop pigs? Your analysis just is not there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Never have I ever seen a white person interpose themselves between a cop and their soon-to-be victim.

Hey, I'm wading into an old discussion that's totally out of my depth here, but I just wanted to post a counter-example to what you said. This doesn't invalidate what you said and that's not my intention, as this is obviously a rare exception, but I just wanted you to know that it has happened. Perhaps it will give you a glimmer of hope.

https://atlantablackstar.com/2023/02/10/were-much-more-scared-of-the-f-police-in-this-situation-than-this-guy-video-shows-seattle-police-standoff-with-unarmed-black-man-until-crowd-intervenes/