279
Girl, 15, speaks out after classmate made deepfake nudes of her and posted online
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 23 Jun 2024
279 points (92.9% liked)
Technology
35117 readers
115 users here now
This is the official technology community of Lemmy.ml for all news related to creation and use of technology, and to facilitate civil, meaningful discussion around it.
Ask in DM before posting product reviews or ads. All such posts otherwise are subject to removal.
Rules:
1: All Lemmy rules apply
2: Do not post low effort posts
3: NEVER post naziped*gore stuff
4: Always post article URLs or their archived version URLs as sources, NOT screenshots. Help the blind users.
5: personal rants of Big Tech CEOs like Elon Musk are unwelcome (does not include posts about their companies affecting wide range of people)
6: no advertisement posts unless verified as legitimate and non-exploitative/non-consumerist
7: crypto related posts, unless essential, are disallowed
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
In this case, yes. Visually indistinguishable from a photo is considered CSAM. We don't need any new laws about AI to get these assholes. Revenge porn laws and federal CSAM statutes will do.
If they can plant AI CSAM in my computer they can also plant "real" CSAM in my computer. Your point doesn't make any sense.
Reporting and getting my comment removed for feeling the hypothetical threat of becoming a CSAM planting victim? Wow, I think I struck the chord with you. It makes sense, people like you never think through things before suggesting them. Such people should never get the tiniest sliver of power.
Still on your fuckshit, I see. Smh.
This is not a "CSAM" problem, since there is no physical outcome. This is a defamation and libel problem, and should be treated as such. If I see nonsensical notions, I will call them out without fear.
I consider it as defamation and libel. Yes, it is faux porn, but ultimately the goal is to harass and defame the person.
Nothing about your comment addressed why it should be treated differently if it's ai-generated but visually indistinguishable.
There is not yet AI that can do this. Also, is there real world harm happening? This is a problem of defamation and libel, not "CSAM". Reducing problems to absurdity is lethal to liberty of citizens.
All those who wanted AI so much, you will have the whole cake now. Fuck AI empowerment. I knew this would happen, but the people glazing AI would not stop. Enjoy this brainrot, and soon a flood of Sora AI generated 720p deep fake porn/gore/murder videos.
Just passing through, no strong opinions on the matter nor is it something I wish to do deep dive research on.
Just wanted to point out that your original comment was indeed just a threat that did nothing to address OPs argument.
It was not a threat, but a hypothetical example to gauge the reaction of that reactionary baiter.
The problem with claiming AI generated art as CSAM is that there is no possible way to create an objective definition of what "level" of realism is real and what is not. A drawing or imaginary creation is best left not defined as real in any capacity whatsoever. If it is drawn or digitally created, it is not real, period. Those people thinking of good uses of AI were too optimistic and failed to account for the extremely bad use cases that will spiral out of control as far as human society goes.
Even though China is incredibly advanced and proactive on trying to control this AI deepfake issue, I do not trust any entity in any capacity on such a problem impossible to solve on a country or international scale.
I just had a dejavu moment typing this comment, and I have no idea why.
So if I draw a stick figure with 2 circles, call it 8 years old, is it CSAM? Will I be arrested for it? Do you see how that dumb logic does not work too well?
Glad that it will always remain a hot take.
The problem with your argument is there cannot be developed a scale or spectrum to judge where the fake stops and real starts for drawings or AI generated media. And since they were not recorded with a camera in real world, they cannot be real, no matter what your emotional response to such a deplorable defamation act may be. It is libel of an extreme order.
Cuties was shot with a camera in real world. Do you see the difference between AI generated media and what Cuties was?
I am not one of those "it's just pixels on a screen" people. But if it was not recorded in real world with a camera, it cannot be real.
Who will be the judge? If there is some automated AI created, who will be the one creating it? Will it be perfect? No. We will end up in the situation that Google caused to users, like doctors, married parents and legitimate people being labelled as pedophiles or CSAM users. It has already happened to me in this thread, and you also said it. The only accurate way to judge it will be a very large team of forensic experts on image/video media, which is not feasible for the amount of data social media generates.
And this is where the abuse by elites, politicians and establishment starts. Activists and dissidents can be easily jailed by CSAM being planted, which would in this case be as simple as AI pictures being temporary drive by downloads onto target's devices.
Have you considered the problem of doctors, married parents and other legitimate people being labelled as CSAM users and pedophiles? This has already happened, and they are not obligated to take the brunt of misjudgement of tools developed to judge such media. This is not a hypothetical scenario, and has already happened in real world, and has caused real world damage to people.
The argument of planted CSAM is not incoherent, but has also played out with many people. It is one of the favourite tools for elites and ruling politicians to use. I am less worried about it because such a law thankfully does not exist, that will misjudge the masses brutally for fictional media.
If a pedophile creates a hospital/clinic room setting and photographs a naked kid, will it be okay? Do you understand these problems impossible to solve just like that? Parents also take photos of their kids, and they do not take photos like a doctor would. They take photos in more casual settings than a clinic. Would parents be considered pedophiles? According to the way you propose to judge, yes.
You are basically implying that social defamation is what matters here, and the trauma caused to victim of such fictional media is a problem. However, this is exactly what anti-AI people like me were trying to warn against. And since these models are open source and in public hands, the cat is out of the bag. Stable diffusion models work on potato computers and take atmost 2-5 minutes to generate per photo, and 4chan has entire guides for uncensored models. This problem will be 100x worse in a couple years, and 1000x worse in the next 5 years. And infinitely worse in a decade. Nothing can be done about it. This is what AI revolution is. Future generations of kids are fucked thanks to AI.
The best thing one can do is protect their privacy, and photos from being out there. Nobody can win this battle, and even in the most dystopian hellhole with maximum surveillance, there will be gaps.