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xkcd #2948: Electric vs Gas (xkcd.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that's the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're making this up.

The average car in Germany costs above 40k€, that's very similar to what an EV such as the BYD Dolphin can cost (from 35k€ upwards).

You don't need to convince me that cars suck, I don't own one as a matter of principle, but there's no point in lying about the price of things

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Eee 40k euros? That’s what I am talking about I buy cars for 20k-25k€ maximum after conversion to local currency

You don’t even drive one so how can you have valuable opinion on this? I drive one and analyse which one is the most efficient purchase and you only deal in theoretical armchair expertise

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You buy much cheaper cars than the average German then. Good for you to unironically know better than the average German and understand that beyond the 20-25k mark, you're paying for stupid stuff and branding.

I can analyse this because I can compare studies and averages, my whole point was "no, electric cars aren't even that expensive anymore", not "cars are good and electric cars are always better and everyone should get one".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Allright maybe they are cheaper than a year ago at least. Still very infeasible here however except for semi upper class countryside

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Only you can judge your own circumstances but it really seems like fear of difference makes worries loom larger.

Here in the US

my Tesla was the most expensive car I ever bought
but price had dropped and continues to drop
cheaper than the average new car, cheaper than the custom trucks so many neighbors have
it was like $120 to buy a full set of adapters and cables to allow me to plugin anywhere to any type of outlet
installing a level 2 home charger (if you can) was essentially the same cost as installing a new stove circuit - expensive but quite doable
superchargers are all over the place and easy to find. I know people who can’t charge at home just goto the supercharger once a week
since I can charge at home, I’ve only used superchargers over 100 miles from home
it’s really nice to never have to go to the local gas station: charging my car is like charging my phone, get into the habit and it’s always ready to go. Once people get used to this, they’ll never accept the idea of a technology like hydrogen where you would have to go refuel yet again
it’s roomier, more practical than my Subaru
it’s faster more powerful than my old Grand Am
my local garage services them, or at least inspects them, since I haven’t yet needed service

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I know it’s mostly better but it’s not feasible yet where I live. 1) more expensive.. I mean I already typed all the things once

Wait tho why do I have a feeling like we are arguing even though we just repeat our own experiences? It’s all cool, some place electric cars are viable elsewhere they aren’t. I hope they will become feasible here where I live (middle eu)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Again, I don't know what "here" means, I'm telling you that the average new car in Germany (since you mentioned central Europe)costed more than 40k€, and that's more than some seriously good electric cars like the BYD Dolphin.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yes… nice to hear my neighbours enjoy that kind of economy. Hopefully at some point it will become possible here too instead of 2x price