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[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Becker and the PSL need to read this

The part about the world wars is such a blatantly false analogy that i really didn't want to believe it came from someone like Becker. Not only is the situation today nothing like the situation prior to WWI, when there was no single global imperialist hegemony and more importantly no socialist pole existed, but to claim that it was multipolarity that led to WWII really almost sounds like Nazi apologetics. If he truly thinks this way then he also thinks that the existence of the USSR itself - which represented an alternative pole of power to that of the western imperialists - was a bad thing. Also, he seems to forget that after both world wars socialism came out stronger, both resulted in the creation of more socialist states than had previously existed, and in a significant retreat of capitalism.

There is a fundamental difference between a multipolarity of competing imperialist powers and one of imperialism vs anti-imperialism. The US today simply will not allow the existence of any other imperialist poles of power, we see this clearly in how it has tightened the leash of its various vassals and made sure to subordinate Europe to its will so that it cannot ever become the independent pole of global power that the EU not too long ago dreamed of being. As such all those that are left outside of the hegemon's control are anti-imperialist, if not through ideology then by simple necessity and circumstance. And it is only outside of the suffocating grasp of the US's neoliberal hegemony that socialism can arise, let alone survive and flourish. It seems virtually everyone in the global south can see this, but for some reason many western leftists cannot.

I don't want to jump straight to accusations of chauvinism but there is definitely something wrong here.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Bruh, you don't wanna jump into accusations of chauvinism but accuse him of borderline nazi-apologetics? C'mon dude. Read my longer comment, Rainer is completely misrepresenting Becker.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Rainer Shea is misrepresenting Becker and the PSL. He's been doing this for awhile now. Don't read him unless you're doing oppo research and prepared to spend hours digging into sources and proving Shea is acting in bad faith

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your actions are literally indistinguishable from those of a federal agent, except that feds are less visibly incompetent.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fed behavior is reinforcing the western imperialist narrative on the Russia-NATO conflict under the guise of ostensibly leftist language or treating it as some kind of "both sides bad" situation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That doesn't make it incorrect.

(I'm also not aware the fed interpretation of the conflict is "both sides bad" so... that's a curious thought)

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Feds know they can't convince socialists that NATO is good but it is enough for them if they convince you that both Russia and NATO are bad and that neither deserves your support.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

@cfgaussian So in this logic, one is convinced that Nato is bad, but Nato still somehow wins. It wins, you see, by losing.

Man, I don't miss arguing with fundies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@cfgaussian You know, I just realized this is the exact same argument used against "both parties are equally bad"

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

That is a false analogy.