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It's literally not how the party at large operates. As you said, it was your local city council. Why do you think the entire party is like this?
And the answer is, vote them out. If it's bad enough, impeach them. There's no way in our current configuration of democracy to prevent candidates from turning around and going back on their promises other than refusing to vote for them ever again.
You already know the answer, and it's not "throw your hands up and abandon the whole system of democracy".
You're not paying attention. This is a huge problem with liberal voters, they are highly engaged when opposition is in power, yet completely oblivious while "their party" is in charge. Or somehow worse, they will decry obvious issues as helping the opposition (as we see in this thread) so that the needle only ever shifts slightly to the right as the party appeals to "moderates".
I'm paying plenty of attention. I know Republicans have been using gerrymandering to have an outsize impact for decades. I know Democrats recently decided to stoop to their level rather than continuously taking the high road and losing because of it. I know that no sane person would decide to stop supporting the Democrats because of this tactic.
I suspect you're not being genuine here.
Gerrymandering has been apart of American politics since the country's founding, before the concept was even given a name in 1812. When the parties weren't polarized from 1964–1992 there wasn't a need for drastic gerrymandering like we see currently, but it still happened from both parties to secure incumbent power. It's why it was never legislated against, both parties prefer to keep it around as it is yet another method of keeping the broken two party system in place.
I'm being genuine, authentic, and fucking real with you. Both parties are shit and we deserve better. Democrats will never truly save you from the looming threat of Republicans because they are two sides to the same imperialist coin.
There it is.
So you disagree that America is an imperialist power?
Tell Pooh Bear I said "hi".
You really don't think it's possible that I am an American citizen that is critical of our government? That neither party represents working class people and I am fed up with spending billions in our name to kill children in order to secure resources we have no right to?
Your brain can't handle that possibility and short circuits? China is also an imperialist power, but they don't use military power to go about it. That's not really pertinent to this conversation though is it?
I mean yeah, you could be a useful idiot instead of a professional foreign agitator. Not much difference except maybe in 10 years the useful idiot will realize how foolish they'd been.
Do you view the United States as an imperialist power? Either currently or in it's past? If in it's past at what point do you believe it stopped behaving as an imperialist nation.
This is foundational level of understanding the world we live in and it's history, how that history got us to the present political climate. And if you're reaction to someone trying to have a conversation about it is to lash out like you have, then I have to ask another question.
Who is the idiot here?
Doesn't matter. I can tell you're a Chinese agitator (or got conned by Chinese agitators) because you just...can't help yourself. You have to start throwing in their code words. China is still early in their digital psychological warfare stage, they're too rigidly top-down controlled. The Russians have art and style at least.
You're trying to discuss with me whether the US is imperialist, and I'm telling you we're past all of that. We're past where facts matter. We're into the meta-discussion now. You will never listen to any arguments, because your masters won't allow it. So there's no point arguing.
So "imperialism" is a Chinese code word? You can't imagine anyone else talking or thinking about imperialism without them working for the Chinese government?
What arguments? You saw "imperialism" and immediately shut down, refusing to engage or say anything of substance.
You're certainly not helping.
Criticize China, then.
Nah it's you. definitely polcom type 14.
type mostly pretends to understand politics but just say vague pleas to emotion or le-reddit-insults.
CNBC or whoever coos in these types ears about how much smarter and better they are for being Democrats and well, not fucking much else.
You'll never admit that you only watch tv news sometimes after work while browsing your phone? No one would, on purpose. But sometimes they show it.
I see ya homie and i genuinely want you to shut the fuck up since by now you've probably figured out my my fucking trigger is arrogant, ignorant liitle shits.
Here, take a tissue