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To all the Biden defenders: I get it. You're scared of another Trump term. I'm living in Europe and I'm not a fan of project 2025 myself. I have this seemingly simple question: what happens after the election?
If Biden wins, what do you expect to happen with all the MAGAs? How would you prevent another Jan 6th? What if it succeeded this time? How will you keep Biden accountable? Will you keep avoiding a fascist dictatorship every 4 years until the end of time?
And if Trump wins? Will you give up without a fight? Will you let them turn the US into a fascist theocracy?
Don't expect that your liberal democracy will sort itself out. There's too much on the line to hope for the correct election results and everythingsorting itself out afterwards. Have a plan that doesn't rely on elections and take the safety of your community into your own hands.
They will continue to exist, though weakened, and four more years of Democratic executive actions and appointments will steadily move the federal government further away from their position.
Electing Democrats to critical state roles in 2022 helped a lot here. It's also useful having the election denier as the challenger, not the incumbent, plus we're all wise to their playbook. The multiple prosecutions of last cycles conspirators should also put a damper on things.
Protests, op-eds, pressuring legislators, primary elections, etc.
Yes. Democracy requires active maintenance, from all of us, indefinitely. Giving up is how its enemies win.
Trump will die soon. And as much as we worry about MAGA, they are largely the Cult of Trump. He's silenced any other possible inheritors. We need democracy to outlast Trump.
In the long term, the solutions are better public education and fairer media, but we haven't even begun to work on that because of the immediate crisis.
It's why I'm so glad I live in California. We tend to not stand for that bullshit. I can absolutely see a secession or even a civil war if they try to use federal troops to enforce Trumpian fascism.
Well, some of us actually realize there's this whole legislative branch that exists, and often has a lot more power than the executive to accomplish things. Shockingly enough, when you don't have a monolithic view of things, you have an actual chance of changing them.
Your glib answer doesn't really answer anything.
I would gladly not care about US politics if it would leave the rest of the world the fuck alone.
I don’t . . . I mean, agreed! Okay? Hurrah, we’ve achieved an understanding, now will you please let us avoid a massive disaster of hitherto unseen dimensions?! We can talk policy when we’re not literally in an existential crisis.
You're not avoiding anything. Just postponing it.
The tunnel vision caused by fear is wild to see. It's like mass halucination and there isn't anything you can say to get them to look around and take stock.
Boy you are really engaging people in good faith throughout this thread aren't you?
Least rabid liberal:
I'm kinda to the point of not even reading US political threads on any Lemmy instance. Seems like half the participants are Europeans/Aussies/Canadians who have plenty of loud concern-troll opinions about US politics, but can't even vote in our elections.