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Singh 'more alarmed' after reading report, but won't break from Liberal-NDP agreement (www.ctvnews.ca)
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And this is exactly why the security clearances don't matter. May says it's basically a nothingburger involving former politicians while Singh is suggesting in involves current policitians and acts as if he's quite upset, but apparently is not upset enough to actually hold the government accountable.

Meanwhile Trudeau doesn't even believe the damn report and Joly says Liberal MPs aren't involved.

The only thing Poilievre having the clearance and reading thr report will be a 5th opinion on what has occurred; this is functionally useless to us as voters because we still won't know who's full of shit and who's not.

We, the people, need the names for ourselves!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What exactly would knowing the name do for you?

This is a national security matter, those people are likely being used to bait out further interference from 3rd parties and keeping their names hidden forces those third parties to have to worry about if they're being monitored or not.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

I think the benefit of knowing the names publicly might be the public's ability to then no longer elect these people, which cuts off the foreign interference at the root, as far as can be done within the country. It might also act as a deterrent for future MPs knowing their names could be released if they too partake in this behavior. It would accomplish stamping out the problem and publicly shaming these people for the rest of their careers.

Not saying it's realistically feasible or prudent overall to actually release them though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

It doesn't cut off interference at all, it just provides new targets who have less knowledge and awareness about the situation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think the bigger concern is that if there are other foreign influenced MPs who aren't listed in the report, then they and the country influencing them realize that CSIS/Canada doesn't know about them. Keeping it vague and uncertain makes it more likely that those people will be concerned and may reduce their interference to avoid detection.

Likewise, revealing which MPs are known to be influenced may reveal moles or informants that Canada has, thus curtailing future efforts at limiting foreign interference.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Or leave them there. Let foreign interference put effort into these people. Pull the rug right at/just before election.

Pull the rug now and there is time to turn more politicians.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

That's not what "at the root" means. The guy selling himself and his country is the final part, the branch as it were. The root is the source of the money.

As for your reasoning, being able to further track intermediaries and see what else they have their fingers in is good security policy, as is sending back disinformation until such time as it becomes known the subject is compromised. Throwing these guys under the bus is usually the last step in the process.