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Alcohol causing 20 times the harm of meth, police float tighter regulation (www.newshub.co.nz)
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TL;DR:

  • Alcohol $7.8b
  • All illicits: $1.8b
  • Meth: $0.365b

I wanted a figure for cannabis and found this from 2020:

PDF https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/the-nz-illicit-drug-harm-index-2020-10-feb.pdf

  • All illicits: $1.9b
  • Meth: $0.824b
  • Cannabis: $0.911

I notice that the per kilograms measure for harm is also useful to account for volume of usage, but think that per 'dose' would be better.

  • Meth: $1.1m per kg with 743kg consumption
  • Cannabis: $0.35m per kg with 58000kg consumption

These figures include 'associative crime' as harm. So it apparent counts the cost of buying it as harm, it also counts the tax loss of that expenditure, so IMHO it skews unfavourabley to higher expenditure. But put that aside.

These figures show that all illicit drugs combined are less harmful to society than alcohol, and tautologically the harm is inflated by illegality.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Every comment you've made here has been completely devoid of nuance, insight, or intelligence, and quite frankly, you sound like a bit of a moron.

Methamphetamine is an incredibly addictive and harmful substance, with drastic health risks to it's consumption, and making it easier to access is a terrible idea.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Every comment you've made here has been completely devoid of nuance, insight, or intelligence, and quite frankly, you sound like a bit of a moron.

You sound like my university professors.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Hahaha

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Heheh.

Seriously though I wish professors didn't say stuff like that. It's bad pedagogy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you've genuinely been to university, this shows that intelligence and education don't always follow one another.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Hey I can handle you calling me a moron but implying I’m lying is a step too far.

Do you typically attack people personally because you disagree with what they are saying?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm pointing out that people who hold a viewpoint that one thing is the way to go in all situations, with no exceptions, is something I typically associate with a lack of critical thinking ability.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Every comment you've made here has been completely devoid of nuance, insight, or intelligence, and quite frankly, you sound like a bit of a moron.

It sounds like you’re just insulting my intelligence.

Methamphetamine Is so highly addictive and has such bad side effects that the FDA approved it for a treatment for ADHD and obesity in children.

It’s called Desoxyn.

How many of the negative thing associated with it are just because it’s illegal? Have you spent any time thinking about that or do you just like insulting people?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Here's the list of side effects of Desoxyn, which contains 5mg (five thousandsths of a gram) of methamphetamine.

And you want to legalise this?

Remember that this medication has been prescribed because your doctor has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects. Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects.

This medication may raise your blood pressure. Check your blood pressure regularly and tell your doctor if the results are high.

Tell your doctor right away if you have any serious side effects, including: signs of blood flow problems in the fingers or toes (such as coldness, numbness, pain, or skin color changes), unusual wounds on the fingers or toes, mental/mood/behavior changes (such as agitation, aggression, mood swings, depression, thoughts of suicide, hallucinations, abnormal thoughts/behavior), uncontrolled muscle movements (such as twitching, shaking), outbursts of words/sounds, swelling ankles/feet, extreme tiredness, rapid/unexplained weight loss, change in sexual ability/interest, frequent/prolonged erections (in males), vision changes (such as blurred vision).

Get medical help right away if you have any very serious side effects, including: fainting, severe headache, fast/pounding irregular heartbeat, seizures, symptoms of a heart attack (such as chest/jaw/left arm pain, shortness of breath, unusual sweating), symptoms of a stroke (such as weakness on one side of the body, trouble speaking, sudden vision changes, confusion).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Do you want me to list the side effects of water?

Because they can be pretty horrific.