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WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) - A New York City hospital fired a Palestinian American Muslim nurse after she called Israel's war in Gaza a "genocide" during an acceptance speech for an award for her work with bereaved mothers who lost their children during pregnancy and childbirth.

A spokesperson of the hospital, NYU Langone Health, said on Thursday that labor and delivery nurse Hesen Jabr had previously been warned not to bring her views "on this divisive and charged issue into the workplace."

Jabr posted on Instagram that she was awarded on May 7, when she made her remarks, adding that she was handed a termination letter later in the month.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yup. From the government. Not your employer.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Free speech as a concept isn't just limited to the government, that's a limitation of the First Amendment.

Free Speech ≠ First Amendment

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The employer is within their rights to terminate so long as it's not on the basis of a protected class (gender, religion, age etc.).

I don't agree that stating an opinion should be grounds but I do not believe they violated anything.

Even worse, she's recognized for excellent work performance so you'd think that matters more….but nope.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I didn't realize New York was an "At-Will Employment" state. As a Canadian, it's so weird that NY is one of the most progressive states, yet feels so far behind us (and we, in turn, are so far behind many European countries).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

It seems wild how one can be fired. Unless I completely breach my contract and/or steal, I don't think the business can get rid of me, period. Without some form of redundancy and then I'm laughing all the way to the bank.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

A lot of people miss that NY is a liberal state, but in the sort of "commercial liberal" way. It's basically the embodiment of old school moderate liberalism. I'm obviously simplifying, but NY is Democratic, but not necessarily progressive.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Right? Sounds like a great place to work. They'll be attracting the best and brightest with PR like this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Legal =/= Moral

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

That's were the rotfl is, IMHO

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Sure, but it also doesn’t mean you can say whatever you want without consequences?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Neither does Free Speech as defined in the First Amendment. No right is absolute, the question is where's the line?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Broadly there are obviously different lines for various reasons.

I don’t support the decision made in the article, however, if she was told not to talk about it at work by her employer and she chose to do so, she crossed the line of insubordination regardless of the content of her message.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I don't know specifics of New York labour laws, but I know they're much more employee friendly than other states (though that's a pretty low bar to clear). I know some speech is protected, so the content does matter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Laws selectively enforced. We have Trump supporters threatening violence without repercussions. It’s ludicrous.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

We're not talking about concepts here, but about laws. Free speech does not apply in this case.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Despite being named NYU, it is in fact a private university so yeah, no 1A protection there.