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President Volodymyr Zelensky believes that Ukraine's partners "are afraid of Russia losing the war" and would like Kyiv "to win in such a way that Russia does not lose," Zelensky said in a meeting with journalists attended by the Kyiv Independent.

Kyiv's allies "fear" Russia's loss in the war against Ukraine because it would involve "unpredictable geopolitics," according to Zelensky. "I don't think it works that way. For Ukraine to win, we need to be given everything with which one can win," he said.

His statement came on May 16 amid Russia's large-scale offensive in Kharkiv Oblast and ongoing heavy battles further east. In a week, Russian troops managed to advance as far as 10 kilometers in the northern part of Kharkiv Oblast, according to Zelensky.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It's true, and they're not wrong, nuclear Yugoslavia would be scary. Unfortunately I don't think there's an alternative, Putin rang a bell that can't be un-rung.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

when they decided to violate the Budapest Memorandum everything went out the door, including russia's future. it's going to be very, very hard to ever get back to the economic or industrial positions they occupied previously.

their people will suffer, and the only way it will end is if they hang putin from a light pole.

[–] derpgon 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What economic positions did they occupy, exactly? All they had were raw resources - coal, oil, gas, and maybe wheat. They can't produce anything else of value.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

resource extraction for sure. some tourism? but resource extraction was the vast bulk.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately even that wouldn't solve it. There is no successor. This is on purpose so there's no motive to hang Putin from a light pole. If he goes, it's nuclear-armed Yugoslavia, or at least musical chairs coups, because there's so many people with an equally legitimate claim to the throne.

Short of time travel there's no obvious way to keep things normal. The "lose nicely" thing is basically fueled by wishful thinking that maybe, if the West is nice and measured enough, we'll get lucky. (Which you could argue is what got us here)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

oh well, guess we should all roll over and just let putin fuck everyone right?

NAH. I'd rather go out fighting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

That's not what I said.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Yugoslavia is coming back? Hot damn the Balkans are gonna get together to kick all our asses led by zombie Tito. We deserve it.

[–] derpgon 3 points 6 months ago

Maybe it is all a plot by Bosnia to have (meaningful amount) of direct sea access.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Does that mean that Czechoslovakia will also reform? Cause I really don't think that would be a good idea.....

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Slovakia and Prague will be joined back together when the EU gets more federal due to the resource wars. No need to rush it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

It's not what we expected, but everyone will agree geopolitics is much improved. This time, he not only smokes in the white house, but has an arm fall off somewhere unfortunate. /s