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While I'm not a fan of Russia and its dealings in the world, I can't help but feel sorry for these guys, some of whom must surely just have been forcefully conscripted into this.
Don't forget the humans, I guess.
Indeed.
There was a blood lust on Reddit and anybody with any compassion at all would be downvoted to hell. There are no winners here and just death and misery.
I have no blood lust, but I'm glad to see them die so they can't keep killing Ukrainians. They came to someone else's home and started killing and torturing people.
I'd prefer to see them turn around and go back to Russia, and I recognize that many are brainwashed and come from difficult circumstances, but as long as they're in Ukraine it's best if they get taken out as soon as possible.
Nope anyone who willingly kills for a state like this forfeits their life
They do not have to. It IS a choice.
Kill your CO, run away, refuse to fight.
Why would it ever be okay to kill innocents so you can be safe? That's some coward shit.
Who are you to tell me I wouldn't?
Personally I think it is easy. It is much harder to make me kill someone or cause harm than for me to say fuck you no.
Yep. There's no excuse for what they're doing, they're in control of their bodies, pulling the trigger, torturing, destroying lives.
Seriously! I don't understand people saying anything else. Like these are your muscles.
You're gonna have to kill me before you make me kill anyone else. Especially considering I'm probably going to die anyway in war like what the fuck is anyone trying to justify this shit for?
that man chose to follow orders, to go along, and invade a foreign nation to kill it's citizens instead of saying no, it's wrong, i won't do that under any circumstances, so he got blown up with a washing machine tub on his head before he could kill any more ukrainians. you can feel badly for him if you like, i won't be.
Don't forget the consequences of the Russian occupation: deportation, murder, torture, rape.
Many come to commit these crimes, others for money. We are two years into the war, they know what they are signing up for.
And let's not forget that Putin hasn't fired a single bullet in Ukraine, these "poor guys" are the ones doing the dirty work, they are the ones making the war possible.
Once they get a gun, they decide where to point it!
Don't forget who the fascist, murderous aggressors are!
What Putin is doing is horrible to both sides. He's killing a whole generation.
But also, defecting is an option. So I didn't need to feel too bad for Russian soldiers being killed since they should have surrendered or refused to fight in Putins war.
Entire Russian units have been wiped out by their own side for trying to surrender. Defecting is an incredibly risky move.
Right? It seems very easy to put the blame on all individual Russian soldiers, it's not as if they have much choice. Of course, there's a whole bunch of them acting like assholes in their role, but I'm sure there's a whole bunch more of them who don't particularly want to be there but are forced to.
Better to die than to kill wrongly. But I have seen lots of videos of Russians successfully surrendering, so it's definitely an option.
Bold words from someone whoβs never been faced with that choice.
I agree it'd be hard. But it'd still be the right thing to do to avoid murdering people. I don't see how I need to have been in that situation to say that moral statement. I hope I'd be able to follow though.
ok. then you take your chances getting deaded by a drone with a washing machine tub on your head, in the dark, seeing nothing but metal
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Agreed. We are getting a digital window to the absolute hopelessness of line solders.