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Strong, potent coffee news for strong, potent coffee lovers.

Hoping to mirror the great community of r/espresso.

We are a kind and accepting community for those who love, want to love, are getting into, or are interested in espresso and espresso accessories.

Rules

I didn't think we needed this section on Lemmy, but...

(No exceptions)


Resources

Here is the main resource from the same sub, since it's amazing.

If any of the original mods, or anyone else who loves espresso, would like to take control or help mod, please let me know. I'd be as happy to help as to pass the reigns.

A gracious community member has added some of the resources from the Reddit sub.


(I tried to grab all of the links from it, please let me know if I missed any)

<Wiki from r/espresso>

Links

Google Sheets List of Espresso Machines

Espresso Aficionados - Discord

Espresso Aficionados - Wiki (as of May 2023, this is the most up-to-date resource for machine recommendations and it has a bunch of detailed guides for how to dial in espresso, puck prep & troubleshooting, and more advanced techniques!)

Espresso 101 Espresso starts with the coffee bean. Fresher is better. As u/Beans_McGhee says, "The beans really need to be roasted within the month you use them for perfect espresso." Store-bought beans are fine, really—but part of the "fun" of espresso is trying different beans.

You grind your coffee beans using a grinder. This sub has lots of opinions on grinders.

The amount of ground coffee you use is called the dose. So when u/SingularLattice says, "Make sure you have the right dose for your basket", that's what he means.

A basket is the little metal cup that goes in your portafilter—that's the metal thing with a handle on it. Espresso machines often come with 4 baskets: a single and a double in both unpressurized and pressurized. Doubles are the larger ones; pressurized variants are a different shape and may say "dual wall" on the bottom.

You would use dual-wall if you are using pre-ground coffee. Almost everyone will make ("pull") double shots—when you get into weights and times, it's all based on a double. So you should likely use the unpressurized (single wall) double basket.

Advanced practitioners will dose by weight. Typically, you'd want ~7g for a single shot and ~18g for a double shot. Automatic grinders may dose by time: this will get you "close enough". Thus, the "single" dose will be around 7g and the "double" will be around 18g. (You can fine-tune these amounts—more on that later.)

Coffee grounds are light and fluffy, but you want them to be compact for espresso, so you tamp them (with your tamper). Advanced practitioners will calibrate their tamping pressure (e.g., with spring-loaded tampers)—don't worry about that. Just give it a reasonable amount of force. If you're putting your whole body weight on your tamper, that's too much.

You will get a feel for the right amount of force. You can also look at the level of the grounds in the basket. Use shape of your tamper or other tool to estimate how much space should be between your (tamped) grounds and the top of the basket.

As u/SingularLattice says, "You need to tamp FLAT, not hard. So long as it’s firm, you’re good."

At the advanced level, preparing espresso is all about ratios, namely weight and time. Generally, you want a 2:1 ratio in about 30 seconds. The 2:1 ratio means the ratio of your dose (i.e., ~18g) to the resulting espresso (i.e., ~36g). The process of brewing espresso is called extraction.

Many espresso machines will do this for you! When you press the double shot button, it will dispense enough water to make the "right" amount of espresso... presuming you're using the right basket and the right dose! With such machines (e.g., the Breville Barista Express, or BBE), what you should do is watch the pressure gauge. It should be in the "espresso range". (Advanced practitioners will measure pressure in bars—you want ~9 bars in an ideal world.)

If the pressure is low, you either need more grounds (higher dose)—which you can get by adjusting the grind amount—or a finer grind—which you can get by adjusting grind size. You may also need to tamp harder, but typically this isn't the problem.

(If your pressure is too high, the inverse is true... but this doesn't happen very often.)

Every bean is different, and so needs different settings to produce a good result—in your case, to keep that pressure dial where you want it. The process of adjusting these different settings is called dialing in.

Your goal here is a well-extracted shot. That's all about how it tastes! Espresso should be sweet and balanced. If it's sour, it's under-extracted (to which you would grind more and/or finer); if it's bitter or astringent, it's over-extracted (to which you would do the opposite).

Everyone here is adjusting all these variables (bean, pressure, grind size, dose, ratio, extraction time, and more) in search of the perfect shot!

(Derived from this post by u/basseq.)

What espresso machine should I buy? Great question, and a very common one. Generally, there are two key inputs:

How much do you want to “tinker” with your espresso? Do you want to play with different variables, or just wake up to a good coffee?

How much do you want to spend?

Espresso can be a very expensive hobby, so the answer to the second question can you get to the best bang for your buck.

Remember that espresso is not just the machine. The other notable expense is the grinder, which can be as much as—if not more expensive—than the machine itself. There’s also some key accessories (notably a scale) and the cost of good coffee itself ($15+/lb).

Recommendations by Budget <$500 – Bare Bones If you’re looking to step up from a Nespresso or just drink less Starbucks, start here. There are really two ways to go:

Manual ($250–$300) – Flair Neo ($125) + 1Zpresso JX ($130).

Automatic ($450–$500) – Breville Bambino ($350) + Baratza Encore ($170).

The DeLonghi Dedica ($350) is also a solid choice. For grinders, you can also check out the Breville Dose Control ($150), or upgrade to the 1Zpresso J-Max ($230). The Sette 30 ($300) and Mignon Notte ($320) grinders are solid, but may put you above $500.

If you’re really looking to do espresso on the cheap, forego the grinder and work with pressurized portafilters on the Neo or Bambino. Many of us started with things like the DeLonghi EC155 ($100), but it’s hard to recommend.

Keep in mind that the espresso you get in a cafe was ground on a grinder that cost around $2000 and brewed on a machine that cost at least $15,000. You can't shrink all of that into a sub $300 setup without a huge loss of quality. –u/MyCatsNameIsBernie

$500–900 – Entry Level If you think you’re “serious” about espresso, this may be a better entry point than above, which you might outgrow sooner than later. There are two common choices here:

All-In-One – Breville Barista Express ($750) or Pro ($850). While the community sees the built-in grinder as the weak spot (no upgrade path), and long-term reliability can be spotty, it an easy and popular entry point into the prosumer market.

Separate Setup ($800–900) – Gaggia Classic Pro ($500) + Baratza Sette 270 ($400) – The Gaggia is a classic and time-tested, with lots of options in the used market.

Something like a Bambino Plus ($500) or Lelit Anna ($570) might also work. There are a lot of good grinders in this range: the DF64 ($400), Eureka Mignon Silenzio ($470), Baratza Vario ($480), and Rancilio Rocky ($430) are all well-regarded.

If you’re strapped for cash, the r/espresso guidance is to prioritize the grinder. Better to run a cheaper machine (Bambino/Dedica) with a nicer grinder than the other way around.

$900–$1,500 – The Standard The endgame for many people, this range is probably the “sweet spot” for great espresso without going over the deep-end.

The r/espresso Standard – Rancilio Silvia ($850) + Niche Zero ($680) – The Silvia is a classic, moddable, and can be found used. For this price range, the alternate choice might be something like a Lelit Glenda ($900), or pairing a Gaggia with a nicer grinder. For grinders, ECM and Profitec both have offerings ($550), Baratza Vario W+ ($600), Eureka Mignon Specialita ($700), or any of the ones in the previous category. You can start mixing and matching machines and features and specs.

$1,500–3,000 – Prosumer We’re getting heavily into the “prosumer” market now, and there are less common machine+grinder pairings, so we’ll start looking at them separately.

Machines – Profitec Pro ($1,800), ECM Classika ($1,600), Lelit Elizabeth ($1,700), Rocket Appartamento ($1,700). The land of shiny chrome and lots of knobs. The Breville Dual Boiler ($1,600) is in this range too.

Grinders – Mazzer Mini ($800), Mahlkonig X54 ($750), Eureka Oro ($800).

$3,000+ – Dream Machines From here, it’s dream machine land and the art of the possible. If you’re asking, “What should I buy,” you probably shouldn’t start here.

Machines – Lelit Bianca ($2,900), ECM Synchronika ($3,200), Decent DE1 ($3,500), plus some offerings from Isomac, Rocket, Elektra, or Nuova Simonelli. You get into true “endgame” machines like La Marzocco Linea Mini ($5,900) or Slayer Single Group ($10,000).

Grinders – Eureka Atom 75 ($1,400), Mahlkonig E65S ($2,300), KafaTek Monolith Flat ($2,500), Weber EG-1 ($3,700).

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What are you brewing this weekend?

Post pictures, names, descriptions, recommendations, whatever you want to share that you think will help others.

May your brew be satisfying and your weekend restful.

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Edit: I'm going to extend the contest to mid-Aug to give time for the newest Reddit refugees to participate.

The original icon from r/espresso is great.

However, I thought that we can customize this community's icon every so often with a little contest.

Here are the rules:

  1. This goes without saying, but be kind.

  2. You should be subscribed. After all, it should to be your community, if you're going to affect it.

  3. The image you submit needs to be your OC. It doesn't have to be a shot you pulled, but it does need to be a picture you took.

  4. [edit] Sign the picture on one of the corners or anywhere else that doesn't "take away" from the image[, if you want to. If you don't, I'll sign it for you before we use it. If you'd rather not display your username on the picture, let me know in the post, and I won't use it. Sorry for the poor foresight with this very basic privacy thing. That's my bad.]

  5. Post your submission as a comment.

  6. Upvote your 2-3 favorite(s) and downvote your one least favorite.

Let's give it ~~30 days?~~ to mid-August. At the end, the image with the highest votes will become the new community icon until the next contest.

Have fun!

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#Links Google Sheets List of Espresso Machines

Espresso Aficionados - Discord

Espresso Aficionados - Wiki (as of May 2023, this is the most up-to-date resource for machine recommendations and it has a bunch of detailed guides for how to dial in espresso, puck prep & troubleshooting, and more advanced techniques!)

#Espresso 101 Espresso starts with the coffee bean. Fresher is better. As u/Beans_McGhee says, "The beans really need to be roasted within the month you use them for perfect espresso." Store-bought beans are fine, really—but part of the "fun" of espresso is trying different beans.

You grind your coffee beans using a grinder. This sub has lots of opinions on grinders.

The amount of ground coffee you use is called the dose. So when u/SingularLattice says, "Make sure you have the right dose for your basket", that's what he means.

A basket is the little metal cup that goes in your portafilter—that's the metal thing with a handle on it. Espresso machines often come with 4 baskets: a single and a double in both unpressurized and pressurized. Doubles are the larger ones; pressurized variants are a different shape and may say "dual wall" on the bottom.

You would use dual-wall if you are using pre-ground coffee. Almost everyone will make ("pull") double shots—when you get into weights and times, it's all based on a double. So you should likely use the unpressurized (single wall) double basket.

Advanced practitioners will dose by weight. Typically, you'd want ~7g for a single shot and ~18g for a double shot. Automatic grinders may dose by time: this will get you "close enough". Thus, the "single" dose will be around 7g and the "double" will be around 18g. (You can fine-tune these amounts—more on that later.)

Coffee grounds are light and fluffy, but you want them to be compact for espresso, so you tamp them (with your tamper). Advanced practitioners will calibrate their tamping pressure (e.g., with spring-loaded tampers)—don't worry about that. Just give it a reasonable amount of force. If you're putting your whole body weight on your tamper, that's too much.

You will get a feel for the right amount of force. You can also look at the level of the grounds in the basket. Use shape of your tamper or other tool to estimate how much space should be between your (tamped) grounds and the top of the basket.

As u/SingularLattice says, "You need to tamp FLAT, not hard. So long as it’s firm, you’re good."

At the advanced level, preparing espresso is all about ratios, namely weight and time. Generally, you want a 2:1 ratio in about 30 seconds. The 2:1 ratio means the ratio of your dose (i.e., ~18g) to the resulting espresso (i.e., ~36g). The process of brewing espresso is called extraction.

Many espresso machines will do this for you! When you press the double shot button, it will dispense enough water to make the "right" amount of espresso... presuming you're using the right basket and the right dose! With such machines (e.g., the Breville Barista Express, or BBE), what you should do is watch the pressure gauge. It should be in the "espresso range". (Advanced practitioners will measure pressure in bars—you want ~9 bars in an ideal world.)

If the pressure is low, you either need more grounds (higher dose)—which you can get by adjusting the grind amount—or a finer grind—which you can get by adjusting grind size. You may also need to tamp harder, but typically this isn't the problem.

(If your pressure is too high, the inverse is true... but this doesn't happen very often.)

Every bean is different, and so needs different settings to produce a good result—in your case, to keep that pressure dial where you want it. The process of adjusting these different settings is called dialing in.

Your goal here is a well-extracted shot. That's all about how it tastes! Espresso should be sweet and balanced. If it's sour, it's under-extracted (to which you would grind more and/or finer); if it's bitter or astringent, it's over-extracted (to which you would do the opposite).

Everyone here is adjusting all these variables (bean, pressure, grind size, dose, ratio, extraction time, and more) in search of the perfect shot!

(Derived from this post by u/basseq.)

****What espresso machine should I buy? Great question, and a very common one. Generally, there are two key inputs:

****How much do you want to “tinker” with your espresso? Do you want to play with different variables, or just wake up to a good coffee?

****How much do you want to spend?

Espresso can be a very expensive hobby, so the answer to the second question can you get to the best bang for your buck.

Remember that espresso is not just the machine. The other notable expense is the grinder, which can be as much as—if not more expensive—than the machine itself. There’s also some key accessories (notably a scale) and the cost of good coffee itself ($15+/lb).

#Recommendations by Budget ##<$500 – Bare Bones

If you’re looking to step up from a Nespresso or just drink less Starbucks, start here. There are really two ways to go:

Manual ($250–$300) – Flair Neo ($125) + 1Zpresso JX ($130).

Automatic ($450–$500) – Breville Bambino ($350) + Baratza Encore ($170).

The DeLonghi Dedica ($350) is also a solid choice. For grinders, you can also check out the Breville Dose Control ($150), or upgrade to the 1Zpresso J-Max ($230). The Sette 30 ($300) and Mignon Notte ($320) grinders are solid, but may put you above $500.

If you’re really looking to do espresso on the cheap, forego the grinder and work with pressurized portafilters on the Neo or Bambino. Many of us started with things like the DeLonghi EC155 ($100), but it’s hard to recommend.

Keep in mind that the espresso you get in a cafe was ground on a grinder that cost around $2000 and brewed on a machine that cost at least $15,000. You can't shrink all of that into a sub $300 setup without a huge loss of quality. –u/MyCatsNameIsBernie

##$500–900 – Entry Level

If you think you’re “serious” about espresso, this may be a better entry point than above, which you might outgrow sooner than later. There are two common choices here:

All-In-One – Breville Barista Express ($750) or Pro ($850). While the community sees the built-in grinder as the weak spot (no upgrade path), and long-term reliability can be spotty, it an easy and popular entry point into the prosumer market.

Separate Setup ($800–900) – Gaggia Classic Pro ($500) + Baratza Sette 270 ($400) – The Gaggia is a classic and time-tested, with lots of options in the used market.

Something like a Bambino Plus ($500) or Lelit Anna ($570) might also work. There are a lot of good grinders in this range: the DF64 ($400), Eureka Mignon Silenzio ($470), Baratza Vario ($480), and Rancilio Rocky ($430) are all well-regarded.

If you’re strapped for cash, the r/espresso guidance is to prioritize the grinder. Better to run a cheaper machine (Bambino/Dedica) with a nicer grinder than the other way around.

##$900–$1,500 – The Standard

The endgame for many people, this range is probably the “sweet spot” for great espresso without going over the deep-end.

The r/espresso Standard – Rancilio Silvia ($850) + Niche Zero ($680) – The Silvia is a classic, moddable, and can be found used. For this price range, the alternate choice might be something like a Lelit Glenda ($900), or pairing a Gaggia with a nicer grinder. For grinders, ECM and Profitec both have offerings ($550), Baratza Vario W+ ($600), Eureka Mignon Specialita ($700), or any of the ones in the previous category. You can start mixing and matching machines and features and specs.

##$1,500–3,000 – Prosumer

We’re getting heavily into the “prosumer” market now, and there are less common machine+grinder pairings, so we’ll start looking at them separately.

Machines – Profitec Pro ($1,800), ECM Classika ($1,600), Lelit Elizabeth ($1,700), Rocket Appartamento ($1,700). The land of shiny chrome and lots of knobs. The Breville Dual Boiler ($1,600) is in this range too.

Grinders – Mazzer Mini ($800), Mahlkonig X54 ($750), Eureka Oro ($800).

##$3,000+ – Dream Machines

From here, it’s dream machine land and the art of the possible. If you’re asking, “What should I buy,” you probably shouldn’t start here.

Machines – Lelit Bianca ($2,900), ECM Synchronika ($3,200), Decent DE1 ($3,500), plus some offerings from Isomac, Rocket, Elektra, or Nuova Simonelli. You get into true “endgame” machines like La Marzocco Linea Mini ($5,900) or Slayer Single Group ($10,000).

Grinders – Eureka Atom 75 ($1,400), Mahlkonig E65S ($2,300), KafaTek Monolith Flat ($2,500), Weber EG-1 ($3,700).##

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The Reddit exodus caused by this regrettable API policy change that kills 3rd party apps, has left many of us without the subs we grew to love. r/espresso is one of these subs for me, but it wasn't on Lemmy. I created this community in the hopes that we'll get a Lemmy c/espresso going strong.

I'll get the ball rolling with a Moss Original haha. I haven't been able to pull my morning shots the past few mornings, but I'll either post tomorrow's morning shot (hopefully) or my afternoon espresso macchiato.

Here's for a new beginning to an old community!

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We're moving to Denmark from the US soon, and are going to be (of course) selling our 120V setup and buying a whole new one. It's pretty exciting to be able to re-shop for things.

We currently have a Profitec GO and a Eureka Mignon Silencio grinder. I'd say my big want that we don't have is having warm water from the espresso machine easier to dispense (without small grounds in it) to pre warm cups, to make Americanos.

Either way, if you had the opportunity to do it all over again, would you change anything?

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Sleep vs No sleep (piefed.jeena.net)
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Do you guys, who have a espresso machine at home, really want to drink a espresso late in the evening, or night for that matter?

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Had my espresso machine for a week now and still have no clue if I'm doing it right... lol

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A follow up to my survey posted last week. Thank you to everyone who responded. Hope you enjoy. I have some ideas on how I could follow up on this with additional surveys, so if you want to see more let me know.

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I was inspired by Hoffman's survey on the state of espresso to create my own survey about the price of coffee. I grew up thinking all coffee was the same then I had "good" coffee and realized it was worth it to pay more. Please take a moment to respond, if I get enough data I'll post the results and findings.

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Added a pressure gauge, pump dimmer switch, upgraded steam wand, and sawed off portafilter to my cheap DeLonghi a while ago. Works good enough and definitely learned a lot about how espresso machines work. Let me know if you'd be interested in a guide on how to perform the pressure gauge dimmer switch mod.

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Latte art is all the rage for social media, but do people order them for the taste or just the clout? At home I find steaming milk annoying and then it just feels like I'm sitting down to a glass of hot milk when I'm finally done. What are other people's thoughts? Do you like milk drinks? Do you make them at home?

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Latte art (jemmy.jeena.net)
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I like this bean. It's smooth, and I usually like roasts with chocolate notes.

I'm also cheap. This is around .50 cents US per once.

Do you have a favorite bean that's medium/smooth, and also in the .50 range that can be ordered online?

My local roasters are all around a dollar per once and I haven't found anything that was so good, I couldn't go back to this for half the cost, so I do them as a special occasion.

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On a quick glance this community looks dead because of the pinned posts taking up a lot of space.

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  • Manual WDT is a perfectly valid method.
  • If you're chasing the pinnacle of Blind Shakers is certainly worth a try.
    • Yield - This one is pretty clear for the most part.
    • Workflow - As someone that owns that 2 different Duomo I can say I'm not a huge fan of the manual WDT. That said the clanging some metal together in the morning is also not ideal
    • Consistency - I think this one I have the most significant difference in opinion. While calling the Blind shaker method the most consistent is valid my interpretation is WDT could also be called more consistent baring some wild outliers 13% of the time.

Possible difference makers between the two:

  • Conical vs Flat burr
  • Modern precision basket
  • Extraction method with machine(Lance had a rather specific per-infusion method on a Decent)

 

Sources:

The Real Sprometheus- ESPRESSO ANATOMY - Which Distribution Tool Is Most Effective?

Lance Hedrick - BEST WAY TO PREP ESPRESSO?: The Finale (WDT, WW Blind Shaker, Autocomb, NCD

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Feature packed espresso scale that lacks intangibles. At the current price of $50 CDN certainly worth a try if you get it from somewhere with easy returns, probably should get a extra 3rd party warranty if you can.

For espresso I think this scale does everything that most people would want out of a scale. The shortcomings is really how well it does those things and how long it will work.

    Pro's:
- Auto turn on at 100g (Favorite feature)
- Fairly bright display
- Relatively reliable espresso auto timing
- Notably loud
- Flat bottom. e.g. No foot nubs 


   Con's:
- Durability 
- What seems like zero post sales support
- Responsiveness
- 0.2g off calibration out of box


  Responsiveness measurements in seconds. 

Repsoniveless numbers

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Per title: apparently there's no way to set the water volume used by my DeLonghi espresso machine on the TM BM 2...??

I saw one of the YouTube baristas use the Timemore BM 2 to dial in his espressos. I found the pour over option an extra bonus for when the mood hits so I saved up and bought it.

Primarily, I want to dial in espresso. But I can't figure out how it determines extraction ratios if it doesn't know how much water was used (and thus, how much water is retained). I can set EVERYTHING it feels, but the water volume or weight I used...

Help? 😅

Edit: The scale and app show a lot of variables, like extraction rate. Yes, I'm just starting out so I could be asking very dumb questions here.

I can set some variables like grams of coffee used, temperature, etc. But I cannot set how much water was used. Say, my De'longhi La Specialista uses 30ml of water for each shot. Is there an option to enter that in the black mirror app? That way, it could give the correct extraction ratios, no? Now, to me, it feels like it's just throwing out numbers. Of course, flow rate graphs and total weight etc are correct.

Thanks!!

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Hi fellow espresso aficionados,

I’m thinking to get a nanotech shower screen (IMS BV200NT, for example) for my Breville/Sage Barista Touch Impress and wanted to ask if any of you have any experience with NT shower screens…

Would there be any taste difference between the stock Breville/Sage shower screen?

Also, how tough is the NT coating? Say, if I use a metallic puck screen and it ends up rubbing up against the NT coating on the shower screen, would the NT coating get ruined/damaged?

And as a followup, does the NT coating help repel coffee grounds and distribute water better? I thought the latter would be more influenced by the quality and distribution of holes in the shower head. Also, does having the NT coating mean the puck screen is redundant for both distribution of water and grind sticking to shower screen?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

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I felt productive and decided to clean literally everything in my coffee station, including doing a long over-due descale and group head flush.

That Basha Bekele is from CxffeeBlack as part of their coffee subscription from December.

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When grinding coffee the vibrations slowly caused the portafilter of my Quick Mill to drift off the (admittedly not great) support fork of my new Eureka Mignion Specialita. In the nook of plastic top holding part sits a screw, so I had the idea to bend a piece of copper wire and mount it under the screw. The piece (image below) hold the sides the of portafilter protrusion. This way it can’t turn away and I don’t have to keep an eye on it constantly.

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Hi all, recently I acquired a number of 1kg tubs of Cafetto evo cleaner on sale. I figured since Breville/Sage backflush tablets are the 1.5g Cafetto variety (see photos), I can probably safely replace them with Cafetto powder.

Now, the powder comes with a little scoop. Each scoop of powder is about 3-4g of powder, so a lot more than a standard Breville 1.5g Cafetto tablet (see photo for dimensions of said tablets).

According to the instructions, I need a scoop of powder for each cleaning cycle. That’s at least 2x more mass than a Breville tablet. I wonder why that is…

Is the powder less concentrated than the Breville tablets? Maybe it’s the “evo” brand (certified organic) vs. the regular brand (organic version is “weaker” somehow)?

Or is it likely that the powder instructions are “universal”/generic and apply to all machines, from a tiny Bambino to big ass commercial units?

Most importantly, do you think it’s safe to use “too much” powder (i.e. one full scoop as per directions on the tub)? When I used the 1.5g Breville tablets with my machine, it took 2 cleaning cycles back to back to fully dissolve it, so I worry that if I run the cycle with 4g of powder, it’s gonna take forever to dissolve…

If there’s anyone here using Cafetto, Cafiza or similar powders with their Breville/Sage machine, please let me know your routine (how much powder by weight) and if you do anything else.

P.S. my machine comes with a blind portafilter rubber disc with no hole, so there’s no concern with the powder “squirting out” prematurely through the portafilter.

I appreciate your expertise and feedback on this one. Thanks in advance!!

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