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Politics is everywhere. Let's make this about [general] and [lemmy] - specific topics, and keep politics out of it.
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5. No trolling.
This shouldn't need an explanation. If your post or comment is made just to get a rise with no real value, it will be removed. You do this too often, you will get a vacation to touch grass, away from this community for 1 or more days. Repeat offenses will result in a perma-ban.
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So lemmy is somewhat an echo chamber sure, but I feel if you word it nicely and approach with an open mind you can have really good conversations if you don’t agree with a topic and want to understand more. Whereas on Reddit I find it extremely difficult to have actual conversations
Also sorry for the huge run on sentence
You can't approach Nazi and tankie incels with an open mind.
Fair, but who even would want to?
A few topics that can not be discussed on Lemmy unless you agree with the hive mind:
Israel/Palestine
Crypto
Antidepressants
The Death Penalty
Literally anything related to Elon Musk
Hollywood using diversity to hide low quality writing
Modern cars/city infrastructure
(This is not a complete list.)
Hollywood using diversity to hide low quality writing
This is an allowed topic on [email protected], as long as it is part of a discussion thread related to a specific film or show. Feel free to create a thread if the film or show you want to discuss doesn't have one yet.
Don’t forget Apple. Even if you don’t own any Apple products, you have to talk shit about Apple products and anyone who uses them or you’ll lose your Lemmy card. Talking positively about Apple or their products is an immediate downvote and owning one of their products is treason.
Don’t forget Brendan Eich/Brave.
bye!
Yes. In addition, there's a lot of hostility towards different viewpoints. Little acceptance that different takes are valid.
I'm not switching back, but I might not stay here either.
That happens in any online space. The internet is not a great place for that kind of discourse because it lacks the context that you have with people that you associate with in real life. When you talk about politics with a family member, coworker, or friend with who you have a disagreement with, you know the experiences that they had in life and led them to hold that belief and so you believe that their viewpoint is genuine and so you look to change their mind. Online the person on the other, you know nothing about so you are more likely to be frustrated with them and consider them a troll or political enemy.
The secret is knowing when to disengage with someone online because otherwise you will get jaded.
Agreed, but(t) fuck Spez.
The niche topics are expanding on the fediverse but it’s not quite there yet.
The general topics on Reddit are full of uninteresting posts and comments. Quality community members have definitely left.
I can’t tell if you think it’s an echo chamber because there are too many like-minded people here, or if your opinions generally fall apart under scrutiny. You may want to evaluate this.
I see where you're coming from but I also get reddit-ass pandentic arguments here. People downvoting you for posting an unpopular opinion on unpopularopinion is peak reddit as well.
Since I can get the wider reddit experience without spez, I will just stay. I use an alt front to see the smaller communities on reddit once in a blue moon. That's what works for me.
Counter points:
On lemmy, using something like thunder or some other client that integrates with a wide swath of the lemmyverse and other things its connected to, you can easily join or leave not just subreddits, but different lemmy instances, which at this stage are often defined by userbases that sometimes have a broad consensus of opinion on certain things, but sometimes dont.
Point 2: Maybe I missed this in reddit, but again using something like thunder, its not too hard to just block people who you witness demonstrate commitment to hive mindedness either in absurd, barely relevant scenarios, or in cases where its obvious the commitment to the hivemind opinion flies in the face of the actual facts of a discussion, or they demonstrate irrationally charged responses to only certain topics which are at best tangentially related to their hivemind triggers, or in cases where their hivemind triggers cause them to misread what was actually typed, assume malice, become irrational, and then refuse to back down after clarification.
Yes this is far from an ideal solution to the hive mind / echo chamber problem, but at least as I am aware, it is /something/ you can do to mitigate the problem, at least for yourself personally, that you cannot do on reddit.
Again though, as reddit has been a sad parody of human discussion for a while now, i have not used it much and may have missed it if you can basically twitter style completely block people entirely from you being able to see them at all, at a client, instead of subreddit moderator level.
EDIT:
To think that you can have a large, popular, diverse interaction with other humans, basically fancy, large forum on the internet without this also including large numbers of people with opinions or rhetoric you personally find objectionable, or who are very confident and very uninformed, is delusionally absurd, any actual objective analysis of the history of basically any large social media app or site or large internet community of basically any kind would evidence this.
This is why i like the blocking ability. Puts power in the hands of the user themself to define their experience.
Is it perfect? Obviously not. Is it better than not being able to do this? Obviously yes.
Can biased people who themselves are very hive mindy use this to put themselves into echo chambers? Yes. It certainly does not solve that problem.
But it does at least allow for more level headed users to choose who they engage with and personally make the call of, ok, this person is wrong, but not in an insane way, maybe theyre worth talking to or seeing further comments/posts from them, vs, nah, this person is obviously toxic and if i dont ban people like that, i am going to suffer mental health problems from seeing deragned nonsense all the time.
Again, anyone whose been in any other large internet community for a while knows that mods are very often lazy, biased, and fall into personal popularity cults / dream worlds, and cannot generally be trusted to be objective, nor reasonably expected to be in a large community where they are basically volunteers, presumably with actual lives and responsibilities when afk.