If she's coming from Windows, Mint is a much better choice with Cinnamon
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Has been using Ubuntu for a while but kept destroying it. I aim at a stable base with modern applications.
Maybe you should give a try to an immutable OS like Fedora Silverblue or Kinoite.
They are very hard to break.
Thanks for your suggestions. Silverblue might be a good idea. I am more in the Debian based camp but maybe it is time for a change. I think it gets major updates as often as fedora "normal". This might not be ideal for us though.
If you like Debian, then just wait for Vanilla OS. The next big release (a open beta should be out soon) will switch from Ubuntu to Debian. I will switch instantly if there's a KDE variant.
Wow, that looks very promising. Will keep that in mind. Thanks for the tip.
Isn't Endless immutable?
Yes. Is in the same camp as Silverblue and Aeon, except Debian.
Maybe you should give a try to an immutable OS like Fedora Silverblue or Kinoite.
Those are an immutable systems. Very hard to break.
So, basically the same Fedora system, but with different DEs, right? If so, this may be exactly what I've been looking for.
What does immutable mean with an OS? I'm not understanding how an OS can be unchangeable. Or is it talking only about the subsystem, because of Flatpak, where the userspace is mutable (with installations and files, etc), but the subsystem is protected from all unofficial change?
I don't suppose you're familiar with Docker? If you are, you know how you can't really change a container other than through its persistent volumes (otherwise upon a restart all changes are lost)? The immutable images from Fedora as far as I understand are essentially OCI images, so if you think about it from a docker mindset it all starts to make sense very quickly since that is what they practically are.
Or to put it more generally - imagine everything outside of your home folder is mounted as read-only. Flatpaks work great because they're installed in your home folder under ~/.var so you can still install applications this way since your home folder is read/write.
You kinda can install traditional packages using rpm-ostree which creates a layer on top of the system, but it's best to avoid doing this if you can (and keep the amount of layered packages minimal).
This also means that updates are easier to ship out, because the base system everyone runs is going to be the exact same, and untouched. If an update doesn't work for one person, then it probably wouldn't work for anyone running that "image". Additionally, updates end up being atomic in that they either apply correctly or they don't - you won't end up in some weird middle state where your system has part of an update installed.
Fedora's immutable images are indeed the same Fedora system with different DEs. Silverblue is GNOME, Kinoite is KDE, etc. You can actually run one command to "rebase" from one image to another without any data loss too!
That's awesome! (And mostly what I understood) Your Docker comparison was very helpful.
Then the distro doesn't matter that much. You shouk go for either Snaps or Flatpaks for applications as they won't break the system even if something catastrophic happens.
Personally I'd go for distros with great deal of support (Pop, Fedora and Mint) and put Flathub as the main source in the respective app stores. Smaller distros tend to have more issues that requires some troubleshooting at times.
Check how does she uses Ubuntu first though, if she's using the Canonical's additions to Gnome a lot, she'll have a horrible time with vanilla Gnome as it's pretty barebones, that'll rule out any distro with vanilla Gnome such as Fedora. Trust me, you don't want to be babysitting your partners computer.
Ok, I'm normally against this, but this sounds like a job for nix.
Nice idea. I`d love to love nix but I think it is too involved for me. Maybe I have to try again but I need results tonight, so this might be for another time.
Yeah, it's not hard, but definitely not my cup of tea.
But if you want something nearly impossible to break you can't beat immutable.
Fedora silver...something works too.
I've had my girlfriend on Zorin for a couple years now. Just calling it out as another good one for Windows people, though agreed not as good as current Mint.
It does not require an internet connection to use!
It's messed up that that's a selling point.
Eh probably not. Linux Mint or Pop OS would be a better starter distro for someone from a non technical background.
I don't know anthing about EndlessOS, but Zorin tends to be a good Windows substitute.
Seconded. ZorinOS was my very first Linux distro that "held my hand" for a while.
Thanks, will look into it.
It’s worth a shot. Non-technical users are it’s target demographic.
I would pick something immutable like this. Non-technical users aren’t going to get under the hood and tinker, like many Linux users do.
Turns out she needs a bit of proprietary software (pixum for photo books) that I could not install on EndlessOS. So I had to change course and installed pop os. So far I am pleasantly suprised. Even though I thought I would not like it, their take on GNOME makes sense to me. Tiling is fun.
Pop is great, my only complaint is their posterized stylized default backgrounds. It is their look, but might be a turnoff for some wanting a more polished pro look like ElementaryOS default.
PopOS is currently developing their own spin on a immutable OS, but that's still a long way from shipping to users. I'm curious, if other distros broke, why would it be different with current PopOS?
Did not know this. Immutable Ubuntu plus flatpack sounds awesome. Not sure what to think about their plans to fork cosmic from GNOME.
I'm really looking forward to their implementation of tiling. If they manage to design a desktop which stays mostly out of the way while delivering 1st class tiling I'll give it a shot. Gnome does have extensions, but they just don't feel right to me (buggy etc), unlike what the likes of sway and hyprland deliver.
It would've been great if they contributed to Gnome instead, but there was some bad blood between them iirc. And it's open whether it'll be another Unity and how well other distros implement it.
I just trying Q4OS Aquarius KDE (I love KDE btw) with "Pure Profile" install yesterday, and I'll say clearly that nothing can beats their minimalist approach on system as far as I distro hopping on many Linux. The satisfied feeling with start from really pure system is so pure joy..
Need Tod check that out. Never heard of it. I myself run KDE as part of the mighty garuda Linux. Pure is not the word I would use to describe garuda though.
Try it on VM. if you seeking slim minimalist linux with KDE out of the box, then Q4OS is the endgame. Garuda do too much custom for me, even debian vanilla with KDE is still bloat..