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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

This comparison makes no sense at all. But true, tax the rich, and imprison people profiting on the lifes of others

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean I am going to play devils advocate but I wonder if they also include stuff like how much carbon emission does your online and non-local shopping habits are causing indirectly? Or your meat consumption? Or your airplane travels? Fuck big companies yes but also we have to change our consumerist mentality as humanity too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Your argument boils down to suffer more because someone else is doing proportionately more damage to the point where your personal contribution is entirely negligible and we don't know how to fix that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

still negligible if all the most consumerist countries populations are combined?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Can't buy what isn't sold. The bulk of society don't have the financial capacity to change their purchasing habits, they're already struggling for survival.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

middle to upper class? I mean sure a handful of individuals have %50 percent of the whole wealth but it is not a handful of individuals who are consuming that amount of meat and using amazon (or the likes) daily to get ten useless junks shipped all the way from china every month. can't sell what is not being bought.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (13 children)

Lmao, you think the bulk of human society is middle to upper class? No wonder your perspective is warped. You'd ignore those who can't just because some can.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

An average U.K. citizen emits 5 tonnes. Get in gear Americans!!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Car culture mixed with far less wind energy will do that

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Forbid whatever shell is selling. Only except might be is if it saves life and there is no good alternative. Wait - did I just solve climate change?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

They effectively sell all of our fuel. I'm doing my best to avoid them but I'm in a fortunate position where I'm wealthy enough to use the alternatives which are 20% or so more money.

I hope more do the same, then shell will die

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I am not supporting shell here, just asking a question.

If I am correct in assuming that shell produces 928 million tons (58,000,000 * 16) that means if the average American reduced their CO2 output from 16 down to ~13.3 then that would offset the total output of shell?

Is that amount of reduction even possible for the average American without giving up too much?

Obviously every company should do everything they can do lower emissions, but per person changes can have effect too. The problem is the vast majority of the 340 million Americans simply don’t care.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Just look what happened when lockdown gave the natural world a chance to breathe.

We COULD offset a fucktonne of CO2 if we changed our lifestyle.

But do you remember HOW FUCKDAMN HARD half the population fought against that literally while their grandparents were dying in agony?

Keep that in mind when you consider any monolithic action of altruism.

Can we stop global warning with radical changes to our consumption?

Absolutely yes.

Will it happen?

Not without direct government action.

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