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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I love how in the comments on even the most basic vim meme I learn something new

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (19 children)

Serious question. Why? No, for real, why? Why are these hard to understand editors still the default on most distros and flavors? Why haven't they reinvented themselves with easier to understand shortcuts?

I get the feeling my comment will attract heat, but I'm a web dev, studied comp Sci for years, have worked for nearly a decade and have spent over half my 30 year old life using computers of all sorts. I'm by no means a genius and I by no means know enough about this or most tech subjects, but I literally only knew how to close vim with and without saving changes in a recent vim encounter, purely due to a meme I saw in this community a few days prior, and I had already forgotten the commands by the time I saw this post. Nothing about vim and alternatives feels intuitive or easy to use, and you may say it's a matter of sitting down and learning, which you can argue that, but you can't argue this isn't a bit of a gatekeeper for people trying to dip their toes into anything that could eventually rely on opening vim to do something.

I won't try to deny its place in computer history, or its use for many, or even that it is preferred by some, but when every other software with keyboard shortcuts agrees on certain easy to remember standards, I don't quite understand how software that goes against all of that hasn't been replaced or hasn't reinvented itself in newer versions.

Then again, I have no idea what the difference between vi, vim, emacs, and nano are, so roast away!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Nano is the default on Debian for more than a decade. Maybe two. I don't think vim is the default on any largely use distro now.

Are you actually asking why people use them?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I guess some people really like the features. Imo Micro/Nano are much easier to use than Vim

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Wouldn't you want to just want to type q! As you've probably opened it and accidentally made changes you didn't want to. So you wouldn't want to save the config file. Or the text file you just created.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Ctrl+Alt+F2

reboot

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