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I have a NAS as my primary photo backup solution and one day someone will make a photo frame that I can point at it and it will just cycle through photos, but until that day, it's just a blackhole of memories. That said, that blackhole is important enough to me that I also back up online.

That said, given the new AI race, it's less safe than ever before and I'm seeking somewhere I can stick my photos and videos really cheaply and securely. Somewhere with pedigree that seems like it would be around in ten years. Also, someone with a modern design team so the app doesn't look like shit (preferably an open source Material You app targetting Android 14) and I can get notifications with daily memories.

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[–] CameronDev 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Buy another NAS and run it at a mates house? If your house burns down hopefully theirs is fine?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Dunno why I find this hilarious, but I do. That said, I need to buy myself a new NAS before I think about one for a friend πŸ₯Ί

[–] CameronDev 3 points 11 months ago

Easy then, buy a new one for you, give the old one to your friend :)

I wasnt really joking either, the upfront costs might be higher, but longer term will be cheaper than a cloud service. And hopefully more secure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

i have a nas for my backup at my parents house. you don't need friends for this 🀷

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

throw Immich on the nas and backup the Photos as a pgp encrypted file on some cheap cloud service

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I guess I'll spend some time looking into Immich. Thanks for the suggestion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Probably ditch PGP and use rclone on a cron job to backup your photos to an encrypted remote. Then you can use whatever cloud provider is the cheapest at the time.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Ente is cool, but not cheap. Immich is free.

What does AI have to do with your NAS being less secure?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The AI is about my pictures being used to train facial recognition when they're sitting in the cloud.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But that wouldn’t happen if your NAS is your backup solution, right?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If OP is attempting a 3-2-1 Backup scheme, this is an irrelevant argument.

OP wants to store a backup in a different physical location while trusting that it won't be used to train AI. They are looking for services that can satisfy that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This. My NAS does a good job. But if it dies, I'll lose everything, hence wanting to backup my NAS photos.

Edit: Good job is stretching it. I need to invest in a new NAS next year.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Now that makes sense. Didn’t realize we were talking about back ups!

Any reason you don’t just encrypt before backing up?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Not the OP, but I tried encrypting my files before uploading them to OneDrive. Microsoft did not liked that and was constantly bugging me regarding potential threats.

For the moment, lacking any better solution/knowledge, I put DIY encrypted cloud backups on hold (and went back to using iCloud which as far as I understand is encrypted, and as I'd rather not have MS nor Google constantly sniffing my personal files at all) but I will have a look at Hetzner offering. If it's doable for a non-geek like myself to configure a Storage Box for automated backups, I may decide to use that instead. Being EU-based makes it a + as far as I'm concerned.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The Ente suggestion went right under my radar. It actually looks like a really solid suggestion, thank you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I've used ente on a family plan for the last year and really like it. Although I have the aptitude to run a NAS, the last thing I want to do in my free time is look at a terminal. So for me, ente has been great - pretty plug and play.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No worries! Curious your thoughts on it if you decide to check it out more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

So the plan as it currently stands is to do real time photo backups with Immich and then back that up to a hetzner storage plan. But it's just a plan for now since I haven't even installed Immich yet. But the thinking is that it's cheaper than Ente, which looks good and gives me more wiggle room.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Would an encrypted backup using something like Crytomator or Rsync fit your needs? It would allow you to use the cheaper cloud services without letting them see the content of your files.

Proton Drive is another good option.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

as long as you use a backup solution that encrypts the data before storing it remotely you will be fine. i like borg backup with borgbase as my first off-site storage, and a nas somewhere else as my second off-site storage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I use mega.nz. Β£50 a year for 400GB and it's encrypted with your private key. The Linux support is really good with a nice sync, file browser extension, access via web etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hetzner has a storage box. It is like 5€/mo for 1TB NextCloud storage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Sadly, the company that develops Nextcloud doesn't see a dime from that, so it's not really sustainable

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What does that mean? NextCloud itself does not really host any servers themselves. If you want you can donate to them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

NextCloud makes money from companies/organisations that resell/host the software for the public or use it for their own people. Every organisation has the option not to give money to Nextcloud, but if you can afford it and don't do it anyway, it's a shitty thing to do, imo

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Does Hetzner state that they do not give NextCloud money?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I know this from sources I cannot disclose, but apart from that the fact that they're not using the Nextcloud trademark/logo should speak for itself

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Alright fair. Do you then happen to know providers that do indeed give NextCloud money?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

I use File Coffee to store (and also share) fotos,videos, docs, presentations, PDF, txt, files..... Made in the EU, Netherlands.