Well, there is not too much on a global scale besides SAP.
this post was submitted on 25 Nov 2023
104 points (98.1% liked)
Europe
8324 readers
1 users here now
News/Interesting Stories/Beautiful Pictures from Europe 🇪🇺
(Current banner: Thunder mountain, Germany, 🇩🇪 ) Feel free to post submissions for banner pictures
Rules
(This list is obviously incomplete, but it will get expanded when necessary)
- Be nice to each other (e.g. No direct insults against each other);
- No racism, antisemitism, dehumanisation of minorities or glorification of National Socialism allowed;
- No posts linking to mis-information funded by foreign states or billionaires.
Also check out [email protected]
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
In general Germany tends to have more small companies that are serving ultra-narrow niches and fewer huge companies that the average person would know.
those companies can’t compete with US companies simply because the US intentionally let their corporations grow without limits in the past so they would be essentially without competition worldwide because of their size.
They will just buy those Startups. End of story.
I am not talking about startups, I am talking about companies that have been around for decades in many cases but sell one very specific service or product to everyone who needs that world-wide. Often they are not even publicly traded.
Yeah I think that's an issue in Europe and the rest of the world. Personally I'd like to see successful European companies, but not monstrous unregulated lobbying corporations like in the US. Hopefully EU legislation will level the playing field by making the corpos abide by fair legislation, but I don't know if that's gonna help in all instances, and we all know how legislation is always lagging behind by at least 10-20 years.
Telekom (including t Systems)? Siemens? Bosch? Those are all even bigger than SAP.
Within Germany, those are typically seen as extremely old-fashioned, "verkrustet". Bad at innovation, not modern in culture, etc.
I have no idea how true that is, but it's a perception that doesn't help them attract talent.
The other issue is that big tech are money printing machines. Google makes a profit of more than $300k per employee (that's already after paying the high salaries!), Bosch less than $5k.
Tech companies are paying much better because they can also afford it, unlike everyone else.
You're not wrong, about the money printing, but it's not a fair comparison since Bosch does its own manufacturing. I.e. they're simply smaller but still have part of the supply chain google let companies like Samsung and Lenovo have. So you'd have to correct for that and see how much the "tech core" of Bosch brings in. It's hardly 300k, but likely more than 5k. And they do pay fairly well by European standards.
About the culture difference: I think there is some truth to that but it’s not as bad as most people think. Google‘s Montessori culture is great to produce lots of innovative products, but bad for reliably producing hardware.
If any of the rest are even similar to SAP then please don't compete, dealing with SAP is bad enough