How does this compare to AdGuard Home?
this post was submitted on 15 Nov 2023
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or piHole.
Or Technitium...
Probably speed. I find pihole really slow, and I'm running it as a VM on a Xeon server.
Talking about a Xeon CPU in a context vacuum is like talking about a car.
A car is anything between 100€ rust bowl on wheels and a multi million € vehicle.
So either we need a benchmark score like Passmark (or other platform of choice) score for single and multicore or your cpu model.
Giving a piHole VM 1 or 2 cores from a CPU with a single core performance equal to a Raspberry Pi 3 is quite obvious why it isnt performing as well as say a shiny new Ryzen 7900X.
Context is key.
Mine runs in docker with full hardware access (no cpu/ram limits) on a i5-1135g7. The performance is (to me) pretty good.
BUT I only tried a comparison with unbound which gave me so-so results.
I am working on adding a feature comparison to the docs. But in the meantime: leng has less features (like no web UI, no DHCP server) which means it is lighter (50MB RAM vs 150MB for adguard, 512MB for pihole), and easier to reproducibly configure because it is stateless (no web UI settings).
I believe blocky and coredns are better comparisons for leng than "tries to achieve it all" solutions like adguard, pihole...
My pihole runs at 40MB in an LXC container...
Same with Adguard Home here sitting at 38MB.
I'll likely stick with Blocky as it seems to offer similar plus more. But good efforts!
You can script this with nix quite easily without needing a UI. For many this is a big plus.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| DNS | Domain Name Service/System |
| IP | Internet Protocol |
| LXC | Linux Containers |
| PiHole | Network-wide ad-blocker (DNS sinkhole) |
| VPN | Virtual Private Network |
| k8s | Kubernetes container management package |
6 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 7 acronyms.
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This looks interesting.
So it's like PiHole, but written in Go, smaller and faster?
Yes (much simpler) and also allows you to specify custom DNS, which is very useful for more advanced self-hosted deployments - this is something PiHole is just not built to address
How is PiHole not built for custom DNS? It literally has an entire management page for that.
Last I used PiHole many years back, it was possible to use it as DHCP but not possible to add custom DNS records like TXT, SRV, etc. . Perhaps that’s what OP is trying to solve for?
Pinhole has allowed custom local records for a very long time now
Including SRV records? I found that some servers (blocky as well) only support very basic CNAME or A records, without being able to specify parameters like TTL, etc.
I also appreciate being able to define this in a file rather than a web UI
It's based on dnsmasq. You could always specify custom records, even before there was an option in the web interface. Just create a config file in /etc/dnsmasq.d
Just look up these options: host-record cname srv-host
Thanks! I didn't know you could do that. I'll see how it compares to my current solution
I do it via dnsmasq, that Pi uses.
I have a ansible playbook, that i use to sync my Piholes.
You can do the basic records via file. /etc/pihole/custom.list is a hosts formatted file for records so you don't have to use a gui.
You can set CNAME and DNS. Not much else I need at home for a reverse proxy.
Like [email protected] said - I want to be able to add my own records (SRV, A, CNAME...) so that I can point to the services hosted in my VPN. CoreDNS is good for this but it doesn't also do adblocking. If PiHole can do this, I don't know how.
I also don't need a web UI, DHCP server, and so on: I just want a config file and some prometheus metrics
Tangential partial offtopic aside: Unless i'm misunderstanding, you're setting this up behind your home router and allowing it on your various devices using a VPN. Am i right? Any details, or even better, guides, on how to replicate this setup? I guess the DNS records on Leng are to be able to call services inside your home LAN by name instead of IPs, which is a nice quality of life upgrade.
What you described is correct! How to replicate this will depend heavily on your setup.
In my specific scenario, I make the containers of all my apps use leng as my DNS server. If you use plain docker see here, if you use docker compose you can do:
version: 2
services:
application:
dns: [10.10.0.0] # address of leng server here!
Personally, I use Nomad, so I specify that in the job file of each service.
Then I use wireguard as my VPN and (in my personal devices) I set the DNS field to the address of the leng server. If you would like more details I can document this approach better in leng's docs :). But like I said, the best way to do this won't be the same if you don't use docker or wireguard.
If you are interested in Nomad and calling services by name instead of IP, you can see this tangentially related blog post of mine as well
Looks like your blog web server fell over. =(
Damn! In a previous comment somewhere else I had just recently shared my dispair at how I hadn't found an easy to follow self hosted DNS server.
I appreciate this immensely and hope to enjoy it once I figure out how to install!
Keep up any and all good work you feel passionate enough about to crank out helpful things in physical reality.
If it's helpful to you it's helpful in reality!
If you are having trouble installing or the documentation is not clear, feel free to point it out here or in the issues on github. Personally I think it is simplest to use docker :)
Reads nice but your docs are 404'ing so I can't investigate much :D
EDIT. Found it. You've got a '.com' instead of a '.io'.
This is awesome. I've been looking into DNS servers with ad blocking and this seems to be a perfect fit. And it is packaged for Nix, so I'll definitely give it a go.
So cool! I was looking for something really simple like this recently.
Tossed a PR in there BTW, the template config in Configuration.MD was causing me some issues.
Thank you for your PR! Keen to hear your feedback after you've used it a bit
Does this just use an upstream dns server or can it do recursive resolution like unbound? Does it cache results?
If you mean CNAME flattening I have an issue for it. If you mean recursively resolving CNAME until the end record is found, it does support it.
For example, if you set a custom record mygoogle.lol IN CNAME google.com Leng will return a response with an A record with a google.com IP address when you visit mygoogle.lol
I’m basically just wondering if I can replace my blocky+unbound setup with just leng!
I think the answer is yes (as leng is recursive) but can you explain your use-case and expected behaviour a bit so I can get a better idea of what you want unbound to do that blocky is not doing?
I think it does caching because grimd does caching. I want a dns filter and dns resolver that's selfhosted but still performant and low latency. Caching of course is big part of that because if you're running recursive queries every time, your ping will be like 100-200ms.
Leng will cache each step of recursion, and it relies on upstream resolvers to do recursion for it as well (like grimd), so you should not be seeing 200ms resolution in any scenario.
I am keen for you to give it a shot - if you do please make an issue if it's not behaving like you were hoping for
Ahh interesting. So do you have to manually set an upstream dns server?
Correct, and much like grimd you can specify several. But unlike grimd, leng will perform recursion when the upstream server is not capable of resolving queries completely (namely, because a CNAME resolved by upstream somewhere points to a domain that is part of your custom DNS records, or vice versa)
Does this support DNS management with nsupdate? I'm currently automating DNS on pihole by changing a text file and reloading the service, which is just not very convenient not to mention slow.
I have a similar use case where I also need my records to change dynamically.
Leng doesn't support nsupdate (feel free to make an issue!), but it supports changing the config file at runtime and having leng reread it by issuing a SIGUSR1 signal. I have not documented this yet (I'll get to it today), but you can see the code here
Alternatively, you can just reload the service like you do with pihole - I don't know how quick pihole is to start, but leng should be quick enough that you won't notice the interim period when it is restarting. This is what I used to do before I implemented signal reloading.
Edit: my personal recommendation is you use templating to render the config file with your new records, then reload via SIGUSR1 or restart the service. nsupdate would make leng stateful, which is not something I desire (I consider it an advantage that the config file specifies the server's behaviour exactly)
Pihole reloading in my case is probably mostly slow because of the hardware. That signal functionality to reload is pretty neat, though I think I disagree with the config files being the only thing specifying the servers behaviour exactly being a big advantage. In an environment using infrastructure as code it would probably be better to define DNS over the generic nsupdate API (e.g. with ansible or other equivalent tools) than having to write custom code to reload some config files that have to be regenerated every time. But for smaller home setups both options are probably fine anyhow.
I think there are two approaches to infrastructure as code (and even code in general):
- as steps (ansible, web UI like pihole...)
- declarative (nix, k8s, nomad, terraform...)
Both should scale (in my company we use templating a lot) but I find the latter easier to debug, because you can 'see' the expected end result. But it boils down to personal preference really.
As for your case, ideally you don't write custom code to generate your template (I agree with you in that it's tedious!), but you use the templating tool of your framework of choice. You can see this example, it's on grimd (what I forked leng from) and Nomad, but it might be useful to you.
P.S also added to the docs on the signal reloading here