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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bet there are statistics on just how much space is wasted on cars (roads, parking space) but I don't have them handy. It will probaly pretty maddening when only considering "urban" areas but I wonder if it's more or less of 1% of the world's total landmass ...

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I want public transport more than anything, but where I live there's little to none, I can't do anything about that other than voting for parties that apparently have little chance to win. What I can do is buy an electric car, sue me.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Electric cars are here to save the car industry, not the environment

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Yes, pollution is a big problem. Not sure why so many people ignore it.

I keep it simple and use the communal traffic(bus/train) instead. I have never bought a car and don't miss it as i live near the things I need grocery store and workplace(bike 5km).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Road salt mentioned, day ruined.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

also, if the West did adopt EVs en mass (hard to even imagine), all those ICE vehicles aren't just disappearing. They're getting exported to the rest of the world as cheap used cars. Nothing has been "replaced", you've just made more cars and more pollution.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Now do bicycles, horses, and dense human populations ;-)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Horses - shit everywhere you look

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Well obviously less vehicles of any kind would be a benefit. Cities designed around people with public transport options would always beat out a society where everyone has a car. I think there is more push on this in Europe than the US, where outside of the big cities public transport is virtually non-existent. Urban planning should emphasis central districts to create transport hubs where people eat / work / shop and therefore demand to make public transport. And outside of that cycle routes, footpaths etc.

But electric vehicles are still much better than ICE vehicles. Over their life time they account for 1/4 emissions (depending on how power is generated) and those emissions can be more effectively captured. And of course renewables bring the emissions down year on year. There is a direct correlation between NOx emissions and respiratory deaths so this is a good thing. Also less CO2 emissions and contribution to global warming. Also, particulates are much less - brakes are not the primary source of deceleration in an EV (regen is) so pads don't see anything like as much use as an ICE car. Some EVs are even going back to using drum brakes where the dust is basically captured inside an enclosed drum. The tyres also aren't any worse or faster wearing than ICE vehicles so in that regard it's even.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Neat an excuse to change nothing in a fuck cars space…

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The point is that electric cars are shit, have never been a solution to anything, and that they shouldn't be presented as one, doubly so when as a technology, public transport exists.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Don't let perfect be the enemy of goodmaybe-later-kiddo

P.S. electric cars are here to save Cars, not the environment

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Wait, how much environmental damage does road salt cause?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Almost 80% of ocean micro plastics is just tires

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