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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (2 children)

good reminder that platform holders like spotify and then labels hold almost all that revenue and artists see barely any of it. This has been true forever but the addition of spotifies and apple musics in the mix just removes more money from artists in this equation.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just another reason to buy music from the artists own website, if they have one.

It'll likely be seen as "lost revenue" and therefore piracy by the holders, as I don't imagine that they include small individual sites in their surveys, but the artist will get more money in the end and that's what matters.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Doesn't everyone always say that Spotify rarely/barely make a profit? Don't they still have to give most of their money to the labels?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah, from what I can find their operating profit was in the negatives every year.

Not sure how much of their costs go to the label vs. Server and employee costs, though. It's possible they take more of a cut than retail stores do regardless. Bandwidth isn't cheap, and software devs aren't cheap either.

In any case, the artist sees very little of that money.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They have 10000 employees. No, I don't understand why, either. They take the vast majority of the cut. They pay somewhere between $0.002 and 0.005 a stream. So if you stream your favourite song 500 times, your favourite artist might get a penny depending on label cut.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So over 49 years, it totals less than 1 year of the US military budget.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

That is wild

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why didn’t they make a normal pie chart?! That circle is not very good visualisation.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

surface of the circle is directly proportional to the revenue, this presentation is much better to compare two values to each other (if you have problem comparing how much 367 is compared to 128 and need an image for that, that is). it would be harder in the pie chart.

if you want share of the total, the bottom graph is much better for that (and it adds layer of information that pie graph wouldn't have).

i assume that is why.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Circle area's are really hard to compare. A circle with double the area of another barely looks bigger.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

But circles are hard to compare directly. A square would be much better or even a bar chart.

This is trying to be flashy and it gets in the way of the information.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Fair point. I do suppose it makes some sense, since otherwise the small ones would be barely visible slices, while they are more concentrated here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Maybe because the two top mediums shown are circular shaped, a CD and a vinyl record.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Probably because they wanted to show the variance over time which one pie chart cannot visually show. And it's easier to compare a circle vs a circle than a pie chart.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We should invent new futuristic physical media. They should have real heft and ideally make a satisfying noise when you plug them in and be completely overegineered, so they last as long or longer as pottery. Something like upgraded MiniDisc, cassettes or USB sticks. If you plug it in, the device and the connector should be sturdy enough to stand on.

Maybe looking like this labeler cartridge:

Or like isolinear chips from Star Trek:

I know Microsoft is doing something similar with Project Silica.

Please anyone, if you can give examples from fiction or reality, I'm happy to hear it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I've recently learnt about Cassette Futurism and it's making me nostalgic for en era that never was.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Why do that when we already have digital media players like iPods and phones that meet the criteria?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What is this thing called ringtone? I don't believe I have heard of it before.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

I love this data visualization. Very groovy!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I couldn't find explaination about "digital license" and "mp3", if I buy music on Bancamp or Steam, where is it counted ?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Digital License: commercial use, such as with video game osts, movie commissions, or streaming service licensing fees from record labels.

MP3: pay-to-download services.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Low-key wish cassettes would make a comeback

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They sort of are. A lot of hardcore shows I go to always offer cassettes at the merch table.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Even most artists offer them on their websites these days. Lady Gaga and Lana Del Rey offered them for their most recent releases,

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah cassettes never went away when it comes to punk. It's a cheap way to distribute your music in physical form as well, which is a big part of why it's so present in punk and indie music.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Surely CDs are both cheaper and easier, though?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I never bought an album on tape. Only ever used it for boot legging. And I sure don't miss searching for a particular track on tape I would want to play.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I bought a cassette this weekend at a smaller local concert. They only had cassette and CDs. CD just feels meh to me and I also don't have a CD drive around anymore, so I went with the tape. The format is really cool for smaller bands as you don't need much effort to release them. Just design the small piece of paper and you're good to go. It's also better to carry around during the concert compared to being stuck with the huge-ass vinyl in the pit lol.

If possible, I prefer to get a vinyl, but I get it that it's a pain in the ass for smaller semi-professional bands as it's expensive a fuck to release on vinyl. So cassette it is, now I only need to get my hands on a tape deck lmao.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

also don’t have a CD drive around anymore, so I went with the tape.

you don't have cd but you have cassette player? 😮

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

wish this mentioned hypothetical revenue 'lost' due to piracy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

That would be very interesting indeed.

I imagine that the drop observed between 2005 and 2020 isn't because people didn't listen to music, but likely rather piracy and digital media being harder to properly gauge (musicians selling music on their own websites and such, not having to burn it to CDs first).

This is also supported by various claims and statistics showing a fall in piracy in the late 20's.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Am I the only one who is totally confused by the lower plot? How is the data distributed among the positive and negative y axis? Is the negative portion supposed to be negative annual revenue? Why are CDs then in the positive and negative at the same time. I desperately need more labeling or explanation please. It sure looks nice, but I'm completely at loss...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

How is the data distributed among the positive and negative y axis?

It's symmetrical. There is actually nothing negative shown in that graph. The graph could be flat at the bottom on the axis that it would change nothing. However, it looks like soundwaves.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The width is proportional to the revenue.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So the axis with the year isn't actually 0 pr something else? Its just how much revenue was made in total (2000s were the time with most revenue) and how much each media contributed in a funky way of displaying it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It would have been less confusing to have vertical lines rather than an x axis however they wanted it to look like a soundwave. However even though I am an electronic musician who works with soundwaves I didn't notice the metaphor until reading the comment here.

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[–] mckean 4 points 1 year ago

There's no positive or negative, just share (width). It is done creatively but still accurately, it looks like the most dominant segment takes the center allowing you to easily spot which was the most popular at what year.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now seems like the perfect time to either pirate because you know your favorite artists ain't getting hardly anything of the billions from streaming services. That, or go direct through the artists own service they set up themselves. Either way, it always is a good day when you can just say "No!" to the large music companies or companies invested in music salesin some way or another.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just bought a record from an artist Merch booth at a concert last weekend. Feels good and I got it signed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

There was an event going on in the large downtown park in my hometown and there was a local band who I would have totally bought one of their CDs, but my card wasn't working. I would have totally spent $10 to support them.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

That increase of ad supported steaming makes me not hopeful for the future.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Feels weird that it includes ad supported streaming and not radio

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I heard the other day that cassettes are selling again.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's seriously niche. Nobody is buying cassette over vinyl or CD for any reason but aesthetics or a gimmick or novelty.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This only seems to cover the US?

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