And the consequences when he breaks this order less than 24 hours from now?
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Fucking right?! Can we just lock him up just this once? I'm sick of him dominanting the discourse. I just want universal healthcare/ basic income.
You just want things that our current overlords will never give us. Don’t worry, I’m on your side. We’ll get there, eventually.
Vote.
Better happen sooner then later. America is just asking for a John Q moment.
Can you indulge a non American idiot. What's a John q moment. All I'm finding when searching is a denzel Washington movie with the synopsis not giving quite enough context to fit
It's essentially what took place in that movie. Health care wouldn't cover a life saving procedure for Denzel Washington's character's child. So he held up the hospital until his child got care. I honestly forgot how it ended. But if I had to guess he gets shot and his kid gets to live.
Edit:
John is ultimately acquitted of attempted murder and armed criminal action, but convicted of kidnapping and false imprisonment. His lawyer assures him that he will likely serve no more than two years. As John is escorted from the courthouse, Lester proclaims him as a hero, and a now-healthy Michael gains eye contact with his father, saying "Dad!" and then, "Thank you".
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For some reason no media seem to have linked to a copy of the gag order, but prior reporting suggests that the judge's threat if Trump violates the order is to do one thing he really doesn't want the court to do, which is move up the trial date.
Which is a quite reasonable move.
"Dude continues with his threats? Alright, let's get this over with. And add his threats to the pile of evidence."
The theory is hey, if he's going to keep trying to tamper with witnesses and jurors, were going to expedite the trial to minimize his opportunity.
Probably along with fines.
the consequences when he breaks this order
Probably another huge influx of campaign cash.
And the consequences when he breaks this order less than 24 hours from now?
Sneak peak from the future.
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God it feels good to have somebody in authority say that.
The little brat needs to be told.
It would feel much better if any of them had the balls to actually enforce these orders.
Time will tell - this judge doesn't seem to lack the guts to do so if necessary. But my understanding is that jail time is a 'last resort' after fines and other punishments. I'm under no delusion that Trump will be thrown in Jail in the near future.
She's threatened to move up the trial date if he violates the order as a way of limiting the effect his words can have on court officers and potential witnesses. This would be terrible for him since his whole strategy is to delay until after the election when he believes he will become president again and can make it all go away.
I really like Judge Chutkan so far.
He is being given a rope, it's his choice whether he hangs himself with it. You can't go straight to throwing him in prison you at least have to demonstrate ill intent.
I wouldn't worry, he will definitely violate these terms, if you gave Donald Trump a button that said do not press under any circumstances, pressing this button will result in the destruction of the universe he'd press it before you could finish reading the sign. The man has no self-control.
2 gag orders in 2 seperate cases. He really should shut the fuck up for once
hold on a bit. I kind of want to watch him make things worse for him.
Lol don't worry
I’m counting the hours until this dumbass violates that order.
Hours? Someone's an optimist
Optimist? I'd say pessimist.
An optimist hopes for seconds.
That's optimistic.
“He does not have the right to say and do exactly what he pleases. Do you agree with that?” she asked Trump attorney John Lauro, who responded: “100%.”
oooooooo someone is getting yelled at today
This should have been from day 1.
Until someone actually does something about it, he absolutely does.
She added: “If the message Mr. Trump wants to express is ‘my prosecution is politically motivated,’” he can do so without using “highly charged language.”
That hurts. That would be sentences with words of four and five syllables! He will fail to pronounce them, or his followers won't understand them. Win-Win.
I wonder what pictures his "speech writers" will draw on his cue cards for a sentence like that ;-)
Trump will soon be telling his cult that the judge said "‘my prosecution is politically motivated".
I doubt Trump will be able to resist attacking Jack Smith, but I'm 100% certain he's going to violate the rule against targeting "potential witnesses." That's a very, very long list of people who are targeted regularly.
My bet is that he'll screw up on Pence. It's a narrow target at Pence and it's functionally the only thing he can call him out on.
Other than Pence would lose a personality contest to Stephen Harper.
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hello, I'm not a native english speaker and I know two distinct meaning of the word "gag" and neither of them make sense in this context. so what does "gag order" mean?
I'm guessing the 2 uses you already know are 'joke' and 'to retch/nearly vomit'?
Another meaning of 'gag' is to physically tie something around their mouth to stop them from speaking (like in films when people get material or tape in their mouths to muffle their cries for help in a kidnap scene? That material would be the 'gag')
Obviously in this instance it's not a literal gag, although I'm sure there's plenty of people who wish it could be. A 'gagging order' is a metaphor for not being able to speak about things
Gag orders can forbid people from publicly discussing a case or aspects of it.
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Think of it as a "you cannot talk about something" order. So a gag is something put in a person's mouth to keep them from talking. So he is not allowed to talk about a specific subject (in this case parts of the case specifically things he has said that could be considered threatening or attempting to influence witnesses or jurors) so he has been "gaged"
And in case you are wondering how the fuck you get him to shut up. If he violates the order he can be "held in contempt of court" which means that you were legally told to do something and you didn't. It can be punished with fines and/or jail time. Which may not deter him.
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History has proven that he does. Gag orders don’t do shit to him.
It all depends what the judge is willing to do about violations. If they really threaten the administration of justice, fines are probably the first step, but imprisonment is on the table though it seems unlikely to go that far. A new judge may treat these differently, or take previous gag order violations into account.
Hasn’t he violated every gag order put on him so far?
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