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I know the question is rather awkward at first and I am possibly overlooking something, but I would like to know something I really don't understand.

In the past I have used modified versions of Spotify and they are fine but obviously no modified version allows you to download songs because it is a premium function at server level and honestly I would like to have my songs on my device, so if I don't have internet I can still listen to them.

After those modified versions of Spotify, I have used apps like ViMusic, Spotube and SimpMusic which are basically Youtube Music apps but without ads and with more features, including downloading music, the problem is that they do that at the level of the app itself, not in a separate file. And I love these apps and I can not recommend them enough but my phone is a little old and I see 0 need to change it since I use it for basics usage and although this can sound dumb the interface of these apps are full of blur and unnecessary effects that make my device slow, including Spotify, and I don't like Spotify Lite because I feel it is a very trimmed version of Spotify.

So this is where my question comes in, for those who exclusively download music, how do you discover new songs? Spotify's recommendation system is great and Youtube's radio mode is very good but obviously I need to use Spotify or Youtube Music to use it and I prefer to use light apps for local playback because of what I already mentioned.

Edit: Thanks for all the recommendations! I never thought this post would get so many answers and there are too many comments to answer one by one, but I admit that the old-school method of reading blogs or magazines works well, and I also like the idea of sites like Last.fm or discogs.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This is what honestly sold me on streaming. The access to music is unprecedented and so is the discovery.

To put it in perspective, I have added more 5-star songs to my library in the past 4 years than the previous 20. About 30% of most of my favorite songs were recommended by the system.

I love music. Unless I go deaf, I can’t see my life without it. And I’m glad on some level that it’s not as lucrative as movies so I’m not upset shelling out the monthly fee. Likely the only service that that’s good piracy can’t even come close for me on this one.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is why Spotify is the only streaming service I have. Is there a server with >1TB of lossless audio in my basement? Sure, allegedly. Do I want to organize it and build playlists in Plexamp until my fingers bleed? Fuck no, I'd much rather pay $5/mo for a student subscription and tap a few buttons on my phone. Even though as a musician myself it's nice to know the artists are getting a little kickback, it's not so much that I'm paying for the music as I am paying for the software.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Also with tidal-dl I can download all of my songs in high res flac quality with lyrics and everything. So I make regular backup all few months.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the correct answer :)

sputnikmusic.com is also good for metal, punk and indie music

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is pretty interesting. I’ve read that page but I’m not sure I get the value. Is the idea that I rate the music in my library and the ratings go to this website and I get some analysis or recommendations back?

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

You could look at everynoise.com to find artists close on the map to ones you like, and to discover related genres. It's based on Spotify's database.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

I don't like using recommendation algorithms, I always discover music by human recommendations from blogs like bandcamp daily, warez websites and featuring artists

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

I don't I am stuck ekth the same albums send help

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

surprised nobody has posted soma.fm. they're a listener-supported, commercial-free internet-only radio station. i love their "fluid" channel

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Last.fm Ever since I've created an account on last fm 15 years ago almost every song i listen to is scrobbled(last.fm fancy way of saying "put into database for statistics").

When you listen to enough bands it can actually provide good recommendations

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

This is the way. I stopped for many years after I stopped using Winamp. But it is back on after setting up Plex to last FM scrobbing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I like their "neighbours" tab of people with similar listening habits. I'll choose a few accounts and look at the tracks they listened to most frequently in the last 365 days. You can find some real gems that way

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

i don't. i'm stuck with the music i listened to 20 years ago. 😐

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

listen to college/indie radio and follow their playlists.

KUOM KCPR WFMU

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Follow all of your favorite artists via an app named “MusicHarbor” or “Music Butler” (web app, so you can track new releases on any device). It literally changed my life and every Friday is like a holiday since most artists release their tracks then.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't this just tell you about bands you already know? How do you find new bands?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gnod

Type in 3 things you like, and you get suggestions that you yes/no as it tries to narrow down your vibe.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

the map function is pretty neat as well. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I use last.fm to track the songs i am listening to and ot gives spotify like recommendations and monthly statistics on what kind of music you listen to,top artist etc.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Great topic. A lot of my discovery was through /r/listentothis, but I'm 100% off reddit now, so these recommendations are helpful.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Recommendations are a must for me since I listen to genres which do not do well with western audiences in terms of organic recommendations.

If you want an automatic way to discover new music before you actually stumble upon the music itself, listenbrainz might be a decent FOSS alternative to last.fm. I would also use libre.fm on a personal server to check my own habits.

However, I also use YouTube music a lot, especially when I want to find something new. This does need one to be active on YT music with specific cookies set (in case you'd like to transfer listening history and habits across browsers/computers without signing in) to give you good recommendations. The good part is that it can likely show you good recommendations inside a few hours of you showing it what you like by playing your favourites.

For example, it was on YouTube music that I found Today is a beautiful day by Supercell and Et si tu n'existais pas by Hélène Ségara & Joe Dassin.

Cheers

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Aside from what others have said, I look at what other bands the bands I already listen to tour or collaborate with.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Listen to the internet stations that are local to you, and have actual programmers daily. Some of the bigger ones in the US are KCRW, KEXP, WFMU, and any college radio station. Places that have guest bands come through and play a bit so you can hear how it sounds outside of a studio are the best in my opinion.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Not scrolling through all the comments to see if someone mentioned this yet or not but every December I check what is on the best albums of the year lists.. Generally I check per-genre that I'm into. Like best black metal of 2023, best jazz of 2023, etc etc..

Other than that, bandcamp and YouTube are the biggest. I honestly buy more on bandcamp these days than I torrent though. It's such a great site.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I read a lot of music-related blogs, review sites and a few selected magazines. No online "recommendation system" needed.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was surprised to see only one other reference to Twitch. I have found Twitch to be AMAZING for new music discovery. MOST of the time when I listen to music, it is actually through Twitch. I have many good hosts saved and checking the who's on now page is the first thing I do when I want to turn on music. And when the apocalypse comes, I have a good library myself now...

There's a catch, of course. A lot of Twitch streamers are fucking irritating! It takes time to find channels that meet my needs...

  • Plays my kind of music (classic rock, 80s, industrial, darkwave, synthpop, electro, gothic rock, some dance genres like filth... to name a few). If anyone wants channel recommendations I am happy to list some.
  • Ideally, the video feed clearly shows the track ID (so I know what music to grab!)
  • The host isn't on mic all the time. It just kills me when I find someone playing good music with track IDs and they talk too much. The more of the video frame taken up by the DJ, and the bigger the mic, the greater the chance that they won't shut up, haha.

A good host will namedrop and raid hosts with similar taste, so once you find a couple that you like, your list of follows will expand quickly.

Here are a few more tips...

  • If you follow someone on Twitch, there is a separate toggle for receiving notifications when they go live. For 95% of the people I follow, notifications are OFF. A few are so good I want notifications.
  • "Alternative Player for Twitch" in the Chrome extensions is a cool alternate client that MUTES ADS. There are a few such extensions, this one has been the most reliable for me. However, for some reason it does not support taking you on a raid (that is when your channel ends and sends all the viewers to someone else).
  • There is a cool alternate client for Android TV called S0undTV.
  • Some Twitch hosts will put their shows on Mixcloud too, so check their details
  • Even if a host does not list the track IDs for what they are playing you may have success IDing music with something like Shazaam. On-screen ID is so convenient though.
  • Get to know a mass tagging tool like mp3tag, and you can RAPIDLY expand the size of your music library.
  • It seems impossible to tell Twitch to not suggest channels that you are not interested in. You can spend hours trying to kill off bad recommendations but it doesn't matter. For example I do not care about game streaming or people playing live music but I CANNOT get them out of my Recommended list. You just have to learn to ignore them.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't, at least I'm not making an active effort. Why would I? I already have enough music to generate playlists that could last for years. That's more than enough music.
Apart from that there's the usual cultural osmosis that can't be avoided. A song that is used in a movie, plays on a radio/car stereo or at an event somewhere and you like it. Bam, discovery!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I follow a few blogs/sites that review the music genres that I like. I also read and comment in the tracker's forums, where people suggest new music or discuss about new and old music. And I found that it's much better than getting suggestions on spotify/tidal.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

BBC Radio 6 and ABC Triple J are two ad-free radio stations that play a lot of new music and are staffed by passionate and qualified DJs. A lot of my music discovery is from listening to those.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I usually listen to the radio, or let ViMusic (YouTube music algorithm) recommend me songs. Then I use yt-dlp (Seal app on F-Droid) to download them.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Review sites for genres I like. I find a lot of new music on Angry Metal Guy. That one's just for metal, but there are all kinds of different review sites

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Spotify and YouTube to find music. Torrenting and buying to keep it forever.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Mainly local radio broadcasts, sometimes thematic webradios such as Radio Metal. Recently I've been linking my music player to LastFM so we'll see how it performs.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Back when I was on both what.cd and waffles, the free leech periods were great. I discovered a few artists I really enjoyed after. Months after even. Bored, going through gigs of tunes browsing, a few just hit. Even found myself interested in genres I 'wasn't into'.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

YouTube shuffle, Bandcamp feed, internet radio stations

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Youtube, cracked spotify, collab with artist I already like, rythm games, friend recommendations...

Abd then I download with soulseek, sort and send to my phone with musicbee and listen with musicolet

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I go to concerts/look up who's touring with the band. It ends up being more than the subscription cost, but it goes to the venue and band rather than Spotify and Joe Rogan.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I use Discogs to find music I've never heard of, and artists/bands that I have forgotten about. I choose an artist I love, and then just click on the genre link in their profile to see others in that same genre. You can also click on the links of other bands they were in. There is also a Recommendations carousel that appears at the bottom of the page.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It requires a lot of filtering, but I find Pitchfork.com reliably has something decent in their "best new ..." pages. Just don't actually read the reviews.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pitchfork reviews are always so funny to me. They're very clearly just writer's exercises to practice overflowery and pretentious descriptions.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Personal recommendations, NPR Tiny Desk, movie and show soundtracks, Bandcamp, record stores, Library of Congress Homegrown Concerts on YouTube, looking into any bands you like and seeing what else the members have been in.

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I like EDM and electronic music so I just leave the radio on with Tomorrowland One World Radio while I work. I also browse sites like beatport and look at their charts and if I find something I like I check out other people are buying, sometimes I pirate, sometimes I buy if I want to support a small label or a lesser known artist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I don't pirate songs, but I guess I would use a scrobbler and then ListenBrainz suggestions

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

mostly from different subreddits i follow. others are record companies, and youtube channels like audiotree, kexp, tiny desk

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Spider chart at the bottom of Orpheus’ web site!

It’s not as good as WCD’s was, but it’s getting there.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I pay a little to pirate. Basically I've figured out how to download a large percentage of lossless songs from playlists I find anywhere. I scrape playlists of radio stations i like. I import those CSVs into Soundiiz, which costs $4/mo. Youtube mixes I like, in they go the same way, imoporting tracklists. Using Soundiiz, I import those lists into qobuz and deezer, which I use to pull down lossless FLACs using deemix and qobuz-dl in linux. Qobuz and Deezer and other streaming services have curated playlists by staff and subscribers, I just download the whole lists. I replaced lists of my mp3s like youtube rips, with FLACs, the same way. Qobuz and Deezer have free trial memberships but TBH after the sheer amount I've pulled down from them, it's worth it to me. I've had to buy new hard drives because of this.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

NPR New Music Friday is helpful a lot of the time

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