Aren't most Lemmy users left?
this post was submitted on 25 Sep 2023
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tankies are a special kind of left, to them authoritarianism, genocide and aparthied are ok if it fuels 'the revolution'.
Source?
The US currently runs a system of slave labor camps, has been bombing Muslims and Africans for decades, and Europe has been doing the same for hundreds of years. Are these trustworthy sources of information to tell you about their enemies?
Not to lean to heavy on the whataboutree but you can't really use that as an excuse when the criticism is coming from the left. They don't support the other thing either, so it seems almost like deflection from valid criticism and a missed opportunity to tackle a contradiction.
The US has > 800 external military bases. Every other country combined has < 20. Which one is credible?
Why don't you apply dialectical materialism and tell me what you think. You'd get a lot farther than using a thought-terminating cliché.
Or put a little more directly, what makes more sense in taking down that behemoth: finding common ground with people who ultimately want the same thing as you, or dying on a hill and banishing anyone who disagrees with something that isn't even relevant in this day and age?
It's a deeply reactionary urge to want to win the ideal at the cost of the material. It's why liberalism has gotten as far as it has.
Sure, diamat would say that in the age of super-imperialism that we're now in, where the majority of surplus value comes from super-exploited global-south proletarians, demands that one or a group of countries must use violence to enforce that order, and keep the exploited countries weak and poor.
Capitalism's current enforcer is the US, with its military might, dollar hegemony, and media monopoly. That is why the US has so many external military bases. They don't have them because they're fun to build.
Then you can see how people would want to go from hyperexploitation to no exploitation, rather than daydreaming of the lesser of two evils.
Actually, most people are libs who genuinely got off twitter so they could join bluesky, so they want slightly less hyperexploitation 😒
You're saying that like Russia and China don't have slave labor camps and haven't been bombing Africans and Muslims for decades.
No, he has said nothing about China or Russia. (Self?) criticism is a sign of maturity and wit. Being a western and adhere to western values doesn't imply assuming justifying it all. In the west we do not have total freedom of speech and/or pluralism of information and, yes, there are worrying "new" forms of slavery.
You can't say western news aren't trustworthy and then rule out basically any other source of news implied. Unless your point is that news cannot be trusted from anyone ever, which is kinda a moot point.
If you discount the entire west you are left with Russia, China, the middle east, Africa.
None of them have a better track record in human rights violation then the west, which you discredited for exactly that.
China and Russia are absolutely relevant, since this post is about tankies. This isn't deflecting critique of the west, it's pointing out the hipocrasy of using these faults in the US as a defence of Russia/China.
You’re saying that like Russia and China don’t have slave labor camps and haven’t been bombing Africans and Muslims for decades.
Where on earth are you getting this?? China hasn't been involved in an external conflict since the 60s!
Admittedly China hasn't militarily invaded another country since it's invasion of Vietnam in 79. Though the Uyghur genocide doesn't strike me as a lot more benevolent than the ongoing wars in Africa and Middle East.
The majority of the world (notably the vast majority of Muslim countries, who would be burdened with a refugee crisis if there were an actual genocide) doesn't think China is killing Uyghurs. Only the imperial core countries, that have been bombing Muslims for decades think that:
Here's the people telling you that China is killing Muslims:
- In 2016 alone, the US under Obama dropped 26,171 bombs in the Middle East and North Africa (3 bombs every hour), up 3000 from the previous year. The countries bombed include Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, and Somalia. He authorized 10 times more drone strikes than George W Bush. 1
Ihttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071
Internal documents from the Kunes county justice system from 2017 and 2018, provided to the BBC by Adrian Zenz, a leading expert on China's policies in Xinjiang, detail planning and spending for "transformation through education" of "key groups" - a common euphemism in China for the indoctrination of the Uighurs. In one Kunes document, the "education" process is described as "washing brains, cleansing hearts, strengthening righteousness and eliminating evil".
These have been debunked over and over again, so much so that reddit isn't even buying it anymore. Their source(s) are Zenz, an anti-semitic, anti-abortion, far-right christian fundamentalist, who doesn't speak mandarin, and works for the US state department.
- Breaking down the BBC's visit to XinJiang.
- Breaking down another 2022 BBC "leak" of Uyghur oppression.
Also, the BBC isn't much more than a tabloid at this point:
They aren't left enough for the tankies. If you don't want to resolve NATO and burn America/the west to the ground you aren't left enough. You are clearly a filthy conservative liberal if you think otherwise. Also, Tianamen square didn't happen and neither did all the people Stalin massacred and all the body counts from the great leap forward under Mao are totally made up.
Not since the redditors all came over.
They really did came all over the place.
"All I said was that the protesters deserved to die! Stop being so mean to meeeeeeee" - this guy, probably.
That's quite rich considering both lemmygrad and hexbear ban you for asking how a vanguard party is not just another form of bourgeoisie rule.
Yeah pretty much. I've had issues with them too. Isn't the whole point of marxism that you're supposed to point out contradictions?
Like you can give them the benefit of the doubt because nobody wants to deal with shitheads coming in and posting the same reactionary shit over and over again but it just feels a little too tempting to turn that onto people who bring up something you don't have an answer for.
You're not bourgeois if you oppress the working people by turning labor unions into agents of the party and ending their ability to meaningfully participate in government decisions or dissent from those decisions, or eliminate their ability to negotiate their own compensation for their labor, or their ability to start their own businesses. It's only oppression if capitalism because capitalism bad
Its not our fault that reality is Marxist 
No need for a revolution then, right?
Lmao that literally just happened to me. Everyone who doesnt praise the invisible hand of the free market is a tankie, apparently.
I think it's really how childish most of them are.
I agree with many things said, but laugh at how 14 year olds think they understand the world better than others simply because something online said something they agreed with.
Most of them say things that validate the fact they haven't stepped foot outside their own western country, but seem to know everything about China and Russia based solely on propaganda. It's hilarious, really
If there's one thing I'm grateful for, is that the only thing maladjusted internet weirdos are capable of getting done in the real world is being shoved into lockers. The left are out getting shit done, organizing and unionizing. The right are out dying of covid and losing it all to crypto.
It's pretty obvious just from the meme and gif responses.
I'd also wager they are not really the popular kind in real life
My biggest gem is getting an equally heavily upvoted and downvoted comment explaining why I censor the word r---
Real?
It's real. I did it as a screenshot because I don't want a bunch of people bigrading the original post.
From what I understand lemmy outright lacks the great anti-brigading resources that reddit has, meaning one community can just come in and dogpile on a post in a completely other community and there's no way for anyone to defend against it or even know it's happening. If you don't know just how toxic that is to the website, realize that reddit literally goes as far as to protect leftists when they get dogpiled by nazis. Same site which does everything in its power to suppress anything left of hitler if it can get away with it. Yeah, it's that important.
No i meant is it the word "real"? :p
Lol
Yes, it's a "real" word.
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