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President Donald Trump's administration is pushing a "deliberate destruction of education, science, and history," wrote Adam Serwer in a scathing analysis for The Atlantic published on Tuesday — and it recalls the "Dark Ages" that followed the fall of the Roman Empire.

"Every week brings fresh examples," wrote Serwer. For instance, Trump "is threatening colleges and universities with the loss of federal funding if they do not submit to its demands, or even if they do. The engines of American scientific inquiry and ingenuity, such as the National Science Foundation and the National Institutes of Health, are under sustained attack. Historical institutions such as the Smithsonian and artistic ones like the Kennedy Center are being converted into homes for MAGA ideology rather than historical fact and free expression."

One of the most prominent of these attacks is on Harvard University, which the administration today announced will have all its remaining grants canceled, he said. That matter is currently the focus of legal action as Harvard fights back, but it's just the tip of the iceberg.

This purge is already snuffing out free thought across the country, wrote Serwer: "Libraries are losing funding, government-employed scientists are being dismissed from their jobs, educators are being cowed into silence, and researchers are being warned not to broach forbidden subjects. Entire databases of public-health information collected over decades are at risk of vanishing. Any facts that contradict the gospel of Trumpism are treated as heretical."

The result of all this will be to "undermine Americans’ ability to comprehend the world around us," he warned. "Like the inquisitors of old, who persecuted Galileo for daring to notice that the sun did not, in fact, revolve around the Earth, they believe that truth-seeking imperils their hold on power."

And the harm done to America's ability to conduct basic research to improve our lives and advance technology is hard for lay people to comprehend, he continued.

While private companies do a lot of innovation themselves, he continued, "the research that leads to that invention tends to be a costly gamble — for this reason, the government often takes on the initial risk that private firms cannot." For instance, "commercial flight, radar, microchips, spaceflight, advanced prosthetics, lactose-free milk, MRI machines — the list of government-supported research triumphs is practically endless." And even when private companies do their own research, it takes a back seat to profit — after all, "Exxon Mobil knew climate change was real decades ago, and nevertheless used its influence to raise doubt about findings it knew were accurate."

As the Trump administration burns down America's capabilities in the pursuit of destroying "forbidden ideas," Serwer concluded, history could be on track for a grim repeat: it "will dramatically impair the ability to solve problems, prevent disease, design policy, inform the public, and make technological advancements. Like the catastrophic loss of knowledge in Western Europe that followed the fall of Rome, it is a self-inflicted calamity. All that matters to Trumpists is that they can reign unchallenged over the ruins." 1.7K Comments / 1K

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[–] [email protected] 159 points 4 days ago (4 children)

and here again i find myself unsure of what to say in the face of something i've been warning against for years

[–] [email protected] 65 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm almost at the point of pulling up a lawn chair, cracking open a beer, and wearing a shirt that says "Told ya so" while I waste away in the sun.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Enjoy that lawn chair and beer while you can, we're probably a year or so away from everyone who didn't vote for Trump being either bussed off to the death camps or drafted as cannon fodder in the war for Greenland and Canada.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I don't get whisked off, I die in a 30 minute firefight screaming obscenities and lobbing molotovs.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'd go to those wars. Seems like they'd appreciate me more as a defecting troop than my current government cares about me as a vet.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

A podcaster who used to make a podcast called Common Sense stopped because he felt he had said everything he believed and there wasn't any point in making new shows.

He did one recently which basically said "well it happened just like I expected, but I didn't expect it would be so sudden".

(At least, that's what I took from it....)

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[–] [email protected] 135 points 4 days ago (2 children)

and it recalls the “Dark Ages” that followed the fall of the Roman Empire

This is unfair to the Romans. They struggled through multiple economic and migratory/military crises to keep their state alive and saved it from destruction several times before entropy finally took its course. Even after Rome "fell", people maintained the appearance of continuity. What they did not do at any time is deliberately take a hammer to everything. Trump is much more like Pol Pot than Odoacer.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Holy shit you’re right. He is like Pol Pot.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 4 days ago (20 children)

It’s too late for America. You can’t save a country when half of its citizens want to burn it to the ground.

The best outcome is the left reorients and rebuilds systems independent from the federal government, either by focusing on the state and local level or through interstate compacts.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I work for an R1 university and have had multiple siblings gleefully claim that where I work is a cult that needs to be shut down. They don't even have enough empathy to wish me well in my life.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

i'm doing graduate work at the NIH and whewwwwwww the magas in the extended family think I work in the seventh circle of hell for satan

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hello fellow Knight (in someone’s service)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Knights In Science's Service

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (4 children)

The only way to save America is to divide it into separate unions.

That way them red states can bask in their poverty.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I really do want to see Alabama, Kentucky, and Mississippi have to try and survive without California or New York as their sugar daddies.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago

Sugar daddies get something in return. What does Alabama do for New York and California besides some sibling joke material?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

However it divides up, I want to be on the side that has scientists and vaccines

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Alternate title: "The Atlantic publishes a story about MAGA that everyone with a brain knew for at least eight years."

Welcome to the party.

To be fair, The Atlantic has been much better at addressing these issues than the rest of MSM, but still not far enough.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wish soldiers fighting for our freedoms would take on a different connotation. I wish it meant something.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Spoilers: The soldiers were never "fighting for our freedoms". They were fighting to pay off their personal debts and - particularly in the special forces - go on drug-fueled murder sprees in between binging and fucking prostitutes all over the world. If they served long enough without suffering a debilitating injury, they could make the jump to the private sector where the pay was way better and the jobs were much easier.

In the end, the US military is just a jobs training program for mercenary fuck bois. It is not some kind of Knights of the Round Table for liberal democracy.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What sort of world is this where the leader of a country can get up and more or less say "I'm going to ruin everything and send citizens to a foreign prison without trial" and they're allowed to carry on

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

This one, quite literally. This is not new for humanity even in the slightest.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You've just learnt the frailty of institutions, law means nothing if those who are tasked to uphold it forego their duties.
This is why an educated, politically active population is the only real safeguard against institutional decay and tyranny.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

So this "article" (that I couldn't read on my own without downloading their app) is just explaining a better article from The Atlantic? Why even post this trash, why not post the actual article from The Atlantic?

And why are all the comments discussing this like it's not trash with a bullshit, clickbait headline? Is Lemmy all bots now, too?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

why not post the ~~actual~~ link to the archive.is unpaywalled version of the article from The Atlantic?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

It's what fascism looks like. The arts and sciences are among the first things to go.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I grew up with Reagan and Thatcher on the telly and there was always something bestial beneath the surface layer of civility. Maybe Trump merely shed the pretence.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago

Sure did.

As much as Trump may make us yearn for the return of civility, let's never forget it was never more than a blanket laid over oppression, exploitation, and dehumanization.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 days ago (9 children)

while it is important to stress how terrible trump is making these times, and how much a fascist he is, please know that the “dark ages” were not in fact “dark” at all. there was a whole swath of Asian, African, and Islamic technology, art, and culture that was blooming.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Even Europe had important discoveries and inventions through that time, like the windmill.

The whole Dark Ages schtick was made up by Enlightenment people to make them feel better about themselves.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

The whole Dark Ages schtick was made up by Enlightenment people to make them feel better about themselves.

It's much more than that.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 days ago (10 children)

people are still business as usual as if nothing's happening, and will continue to do when the papers please checkpoints pop up, the curfews, the martial law--it's depressing

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The only surprising thing is that the headline isn't an actual Trump quote.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

He wants everyone as stupid as he is.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Anyone with eyes was hip to this 6 months ago at the latest. Some media dude writing it up changes nothing. This isn't a revelation.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

What happened to traitors back in the Dark Ages? Asking for 8 billion friends...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

Can we Order 65 this traitor before he Order 66 us?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I have decided to go all "glass half full" and enjoy the fact that tRump has done more to destroy the US Empire than any outside adversaries have ever been able to do in its entire putrid existence. The world will be much better when the genocidal slave-owning oligarchy tears itself apart.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Maybe we will become the Untied States, a common typo come to life, where all the states kinda just exist on their own, more similar in structure to the EU. Coming from one of the giver states with great education and social services, and even public transit, if the flyovers want to be shitty and sell me their crops and whatever, that's fine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Be careful though, because the world is watching and some of it is thinking "could we get away with this?"

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