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    [–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

    Both KDE and GNOME are good when you compare it to anything Windows have today.

    I personally prefer KDE because of much customization support. I have it working with many keyboard shortcuts. I would miss the settings panel in hyperland.

    GNOME is simple and elegant. Showing only what is needed. I can really understand people liking it. I like but just miss some small details like the keyboard shortcuts thing and focusing etc. How GNOME works is different mindset which O just have not learned. But GNOME looks good and have everything covered.

    Xfc and lxd just need some more love from the developers. There are very few of them so I completely understand. Money issue.

    [–] [email protected] 48 points 3 days ago (2 children)
    [–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Truly excellent GNOME slander. Who made this?

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    [–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    somone needs to replace gnome with windows 11 in that meme lmao.

    Edit: it has been done: edit: it has been done

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    I went from GNOME on Ubuntu, to KDE on Manjaro, to XFCE on Manjaro, and finally i3 on Arch.

    GNOME was sluggish and not customisable.
    KDE had graphical glitches everywhere that made navigating interfaces annoying sometimes

    On XFCE, I actually didn't find that many issues. I just stopped using Manjaro and switched to i3 when doing so.

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

    i also tried i3 at some point, it was pretty cool, but i prefer more "standard"/"no tweaking" approach, so xfce wins on that one. i did install KDE ob my second (framework) laptop, but i kinda hate it lol. Never tried "Gnome"

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    as someone who's done gtk and qt development, what the fuck are you talking about?

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

    That these DEs are a bloat in modern Linux computers?

    GTK is fine by me. Qt on the other hand, is BIG. And now with Qt6 out, and some older apps aren't migrated to it yet, I have both Qt5 AND Qt6 installed on my computer. It's a shitshow.

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    [–] termaxima 26 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    I agree with the general sentiment, though KDE’s apps do have some real performance issues.

    Dolphin sometimes takes 2-5 seconds to open on my gaming PC, whereas Nautilus (Gnome Files) is usually done before I’ve even let go of the click.

    Maybe that’s just preloading, but it makes a bloody enormous difference in everyday usage.

    I prefer Plasma overall, though.

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Dolphin sometimes takes 2-5 seconds to open on my gaming PC, whereas Nautilus (Gnome Files) is usually done before I’ve even let go of the click.

    You might need to look into this more.

    It opens instantly on my gaming desktop, Microsoft Surface 7 Pro, and ASUS ROG Strix

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    [–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

    It is easy to go fast if you have no features.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

    Hmm, Dolphin takes about 0.5 seconds on my laptop. Might be that worth debugging on your system, even if it is some bug that your specific system triggers.

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    [–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    It’s wild what an impact organizational politics can have on a codebase

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

    Not wild to me. Code is written by people, people who engage in organizational politics. No "base" created by people, digital or otherwise, will be free of such influences.

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    [–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Eh, Gnome is fine. I like KDE, but I'd rather use my PC for the stuff I want to use it for rather than obsessively change some stuff so it looks better only to change it the next time I boot it again.

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    [–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (11 children)

    I’ve found GNOME a pleasure to use. From my experience many folks that use Linux like to tinker with their computers. Even those new to Linux see a world of possibilities. GNOME doesn’t really embrace this tinkerer philosophy. They have an opinion on what at desktop manager should be and they’re constantly working towards that vision.

    When I introduce GNOME to new people I explain to them some the project goals, design elements and how it’s intended to be used. Then I tell them that GNOME is opinionated on how things should behave and look, and if you try to force GNOME to be something it’s not you’ll probably end up using poorly documented or unsupported third-party extensions that break things. Generally the advice is, GNOME is great, but not for everyone, take the time to learn the GNOME way of doing things and if you don’t like it you're better off switching to another desktop environment than trying to change GNOME.

    [–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago

    I ran gnome for about a decade. I really didn't like how a lot of bits and pieces of it worked so I went and found all of the plugins and religiously installed and updated them. Updates what happened, crab would break, I'd just have to deal.

    At some point I tried KDE. And it literally did everything that I was doing to gnome through plugins out of the box.

    I'm all about configurability but I'm also a pretty big fan of not having to fuck with it because it already does what I want out of the box.

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    [–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Use whatever floats your boat

    I use Gnome because it works for me

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    I use Cinnamon but Gnome would be my second choice. I want to like Plasma, but every time I've used it there's some glaring bug. Last I checked (few months back) font scaling caused fonts to look like absolute garbage. I found the bug online, tried all the "fixes", no bueno.

    I'm not going without scaling on a 14" 1080p screen.

    Cinnamon and Gnome on the other hand: accessibility > large text. Easy. (Higher scaling factors can be found in font settings if needed).

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

    I think it only works if you're either an absolute KDE config file genius hacker or your distro's repository has actually good default configs and setup. Installing KDE on arch always works well for me but every time I've tried it on Ubuntu I just get an unusable mess. One time I had it such that I had to retype my password all the fucking time to "unlock the keychain" and then the stupid update window would ALWAYS show up during the worst possible time with impeccable timing.

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    [–] [email protected] 133 points 4 days ago (26 children)

    It's hard to believe that KDE used to be considered one of the worst DEs around and now it's like Gnome is getting worse while KDE is getting better and better.

    [–] [email protected] 87 points 4 days ago (11 children)

    What is happening to GNOME is truly one of the biggest fumbles in OSS. They could have just continued improving things, but instead choose the path of most resistance, refused to commit to any logical strategies for further improvement, and are now stuck in a loop of nothing getting done

    [–] [email protected] 61 points 4 days ago

    Seems to be an organizational thing, at least some who try to work with- or are part of the Gnome Foundation mentioned this. Apparently KDE e.V. got a way more flexible structure with work groups, easier ways to propose changes etc. while Gnome gets awfully stuck with their panel/council structure (not sure which one is the right word in english).

    When mentioning the problems with extensions (rather furiously since I just lost some work again and installed KDE) I was told both: Go on an create a PR, but also that "this was discussed and a panel decided against changing anything". Obviously no one will waste dozens, if not hundreds of hours of their time even just creating a Proof-of-Concept for sth. like an extension API if some authority already decided that nothing is supposed to be done about it.

    As long as your Gnome environment can't gracefully crash without taking absolutely everything with it (like with KDE or other DEs) there's no way in hell anyone should use Gnome on computers where actual work is being done, let alone something critical.

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    [–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

    Nah both Gnome and KDE are incredible and I say that as someone whos been using Linux since early 00s

    [–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    I just realized that this desktop environment debate has slowed down a lot these last few years. I reckon it's about time we heat it back up. I'll get the popcorn!

    [–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

    Sounds like something a goddamn GNOME user would say 😠

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    [–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    No love for GNOME these days smh

    [–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

    I mean can you really blame people? The developers have kind of gone out of their way to try and piss off literally everyone. And any attempt at criticism is called bullying and shut down

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    GNOME has been going downhill since version 3. I used to be a diehard GNOME fan, but nowadays KDE is simply better in so many ways.

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

    Agree. I used to love GNOME, but after GNOME 3.0 everything went to the shitter.

    I simply migrated to KDE and I just like it.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

    KDE has almost perfect fractional scaling, that was the real chadfeature for me.

    [–] [email protected] 52 points 4 days ago (7 children)

    UX wise, GNOME is oversimplified and Plasma is overcomplicated.

    [–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (15 children)

    Gnome: We lock down everything since youre too wtupid to handle womputers Also gnome: "oh you want right click-create file? We can't think of a more streamlined solution than navigating to the folder you already have open in nautilus using terminal, making an empty file with a terminal text editor and googling the command to save and exit empty file. Intuitive is our MO"

    I love gnome workflow and simplicity but it is too locked down in nonsensical ways and it is too broken too often.

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    [–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    KDE is objectively the better DE from a technical standpoint (in my objective opinion) but sometimes GNOME just feels right in the moment. I have both installed and switch between them all the time

    [–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

    I liked gnome for its minimalistic UI. I then realized i3 does that better :D

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    [–] [email protected] 65 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    I mostly neutral on KDE vs Gnome thing, but after I got into theming my computer more I started to hate how Gnome handle its theming capability (confusing, messy, if I fix one thing something else break) while on KDE it has menus dedicated to colors scheme and general looks and feel

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