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"If you didn't want fascism you should have voted!" (lemmy.ml)

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (11 children)

I'm not American but there's so many socialists on here refusing to vote for the lesser evil because they don't offer the right candidates and advocating revolution.

why not take a page from the right's clearly successful playbook and vote more in local politics and primaries. Maga managed to turn the republicans into exactly what they wanted this way, but the American left just sits there waiting for someone to start a revolution.

well I understand it might be late now and elections might not do much going forward, but jesus it's like the only option you guys saw is voting for whoever the parties put toward or revolution.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

In my city, we have a barely-there progressive, third party with a presence in the city and county government. It's all that remains of an attempt to in the 1990's to launch a Midwestern political party based on an electoral reform called "fusion voting," which would allow a candidate to get the endorsement of multiple parties, and appear on the ballot multiple times as a candidate under each of those party banners. That way, the candidate would know where their support came from, without the "spoiler effect." I learned from the Wikipedia page that it was an important tactic in the movement to abolish slavery.

But, in this case, the Democratic Party (technically, the Democratic Farm Labor Party) went to court to shoot down that idea, arguing that it was too confusing to voters. The American left isn't just sitting here waiting for someone to start a revolution, it has two major political parties actively suppressing it.

Amusingly, one tidbit of information that I just now learned from that Wikipedia article, presented without further comment:

In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, during the heyday of the sewer socialists, the Republican and Democratic parties would agree not to run candidates against each other in some districts, concentrating instead on defeating the socialists. These candidates were usually called non-partisan, but sometimes were termed fusion candidates instead.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Because it doesn't work. It will never work. There is no amount of voting in America will change the fact that it is and always has been ruled by the rich elites who maintain an socioeconomic system that prevents change.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (17 children)

why not take a page from the right’s clearly successful playbook and vote more in local politics and primaries.

I vote in primaries. I also see how, in local races, the party pulls out all the stops to stop progressive challengers to conservative incumbents, an advantage not afforded to progressive incumbents with conservative challengers.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago (97 children)

You had a choice OP

Vote to maintain a bad status quo
Vote to make things a billion times worse via fascism
Start a revolution

Instead you chose secret option d. Make 'both sides equally bad' memes to justify the acceptance of fascism.

Always vote against the fascist. Or revolt.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The neat part about voting is that even if you do it you can get fascism if the rest of the country are a bunch of fucking idiots.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

This is why revolution and working class organization is necessary.

Also funny when people complain about Leftists critiquing the Dems. Pre-election you said to wait, now it's post election and the same complaints arise.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Here is an example of a successful third party in a 2 party FPTP voting system that people keep insisting is impossible in the US because "muh RCV required"

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Dear Liberals,

I am so glad I can't see the bullshit from lemmy.world on my server
Your economic system guarantees fascism. You can't vote your way out of it. Capitalist modes of production inevitably concentrate power and lead to fascism. It is unavoidable.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Republicans aren't 100% gun ho about trumps recent (and easily foreseen) fuck ups.

If we replace First-past-the-post voting, we could easily see the republican party get replaced with a more reasonable conservative party like the democrats.

Plus, you know, screaming at people unrepresented in government to vote for your preferred political party isn't actually democracy.

If Alaska can do it, so can your state!

Electoral Reform Videos

First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

Videos on alternative electoral systems

Single Transferable Vote

Mixed Member Proportional representation

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