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Social changes have caused chaos. A lot of the "traditional" dating methods existed to give structure to finding a partner. Unfortunately, those structures got trashed by the general update to gender roles. While these changes are great in many ways, it left young people in limbo. It was eventually replaced with online dating, for many. Unfortunately, that, in turn has been trashed by corporate takeover.

You've also got the outlier problem. The problematic men and women make up a small proportion of the population, but do a disproportionate amount of dating. A lot of the complaints are aimed at the problematic groups. Unfortunately, they don't care. It's mostly the non-problematic people who get the wrong message.

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So... Over the phone doesn't count? Texting doesn't count? Email? Those don't count? I would think that in this day and age texting would be the normal way to ask a girl out for a first date.

You know it's REALLY hard for someone not super social to ask a girl out in person. I'm 50 and i think I've never asked a girl out for a first date in person.... But then again, I am an introverted nerd so that's probably to be expected. Hell, I asked the girl I ended up marrying out over email....

I just got divorced at 30 after 7 years and I'm probably not going to get involved with a woman again. I'm not interested in having kids because the world is ending so it's essentially a no win situation unless someone can change my mind on this.

Had a crush on one of my friends for years and she wasn't interested even when I got divorced. Till I bought my house and now she wants in on my life.

I'm not saying all women are bad but I just don't see the risk being worth it. My ex wife ruined my life after many years of happiness.

There are a lot of positives being in a relationship but way more negatives. I'm just happier alone.

I think a lot of men are just satisfied staying home playing their video game of choice while wanking it or using online apps for hookups.

Dating is a lot of work.

For what reason would men randomly approach women? Women online have made it clear that doing so results in being made fun of, that women hate the features of testosterone-having men, and they've made it clear there is a long list of "icks" that you can't have.

The only dating i do is within the circles of friends.

Currently working on an absolute package, btw. Funny, fun, beautiful, sheeeeeesh.
The heart flutters at the thought.

I'm married to a tinder girl now so say what you want about that but for me, it was fear of further social ostracization. I always struggled to fit in, in grade school because I was asian in a sea of white kids. Some kids were literally afraid to touch the "chinese boy" (i was korean but try telling that to rabid white elementary and middle school kids looking for any reason to other anyone). I became a huge people pleaser and tried not to stick out for any reason. I had also seen how the "popular" kids treated any of the geeks who tried to shoot their shot and I didn't want to fuck up any of the social capital I thought I had. It obviously got better in late high school as kids grew up but the damage was done. I had a few girlfriends in high school and college but they mostly came after me or we kind of just found ourselves getting close so there wasn't any formal "asking out" type of stuff. Either way I probably blew a lot of romantic opportunities but it is what it is.

I got a boy due in June so hopefully I can instill the confidence in him that I didn't have.

I don't know what the problem is there but I can say Im stretched too thin. I once went on Prozac and it completely changed my energy levels for a time. Unfortunately, the effects wore off within a year and everything was a slog again. It just sucks to know what it feels like to have excess energy and all the dopamine that comes with it only to go back to critically low levels.

The end of the day the amount of time I would need to sort all my shit out is just not afforded to me. So I go with incremental improvements and the way things are, the world is getting shittier faster than I'm getting better.

Damn, I thought I was the only basement dweller

We are to broke to spend $10 on a beer and $10 on Frenchfries at a bar.

It's free to post a dick Pic on grindr and have a guy deliver himself to your basement to give you the most enthusiastic blow job of your life.

Do people ask each other out or do they just hang out?

Is Anon talking out their ass with those stats, or is this actually true?

Tbh playing Magic the Gathering or Warhammer 40k with random dudes at a hobby store is cheaper and more fun than most traditional dates I've been on.

I started dating my wife when we were both in high school so I'm lucky that I never had to try to start dating in my 20s. But when I was in high school asking out a girl was as simple as walking up and saying "do you want to go out with me?"

I asked out girls that I KNEW there was a 99% chance they'd say no, but I asked anyways. The worst they ever said was "no". Nobody ever laughed in my face or told all their friends or spread rumors about me, they just said no thank you and I moved on.

This was like 2009-2013 mind you; I think young people are a lot more cruel now than they were then.

Well, we need referrals from friends to know men are safe. Even then i take it with a grain of salt

I've tried and I'm still trying. As someone who is a bit shorter than average and is socially awkward, it's tough. Recently I've been able to get dates with 3 girls from dating apps (due to me being better at flirting and getting a few more matches than before), but they all went nowhere.

1 girl didn't seem to want any touching or flirty things on the first date and the conversation wasn't smooth, so I friendzoned her.

The other 2 girls immediately started with a flirty text conversation.

I hit it off with first one over text, we were having long phone calls and sending raunchy stuff over text. I had one short date with and was planning a spicier 2nd date with but she cancelled because I asked her to be my Valentine on Valentine's Day.

The 2nd one wanted to take things slower, and friendzoned me after 2 longer dates. She also wasn't that into touching.

I never kissed any of these girls. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, especially with the first flirty girl.