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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Later studies found that pintos were not particularly more likely to explode than other cars of the same form factor from that era. Turns out, plenty of other manufacturers cut costs by placing the fuel tanks in the rear bumper. And either way there's plenty of other things you should be more concerned about in deathtraps from that era, such as the steering column impaling you if the front of your car collides with anything, or the roof caving in if your car is ever upside-down.

What did Ford in was the Pinto Memo. Evil corpo pro-tip: Doing clownishly evil napkin math on the relative costs of lawsuits vs a cheap fix is fine, just don't be so dumb as to write it down where a hungry journalist might find it.

Anyway are teslas better or worse than the pinto or comparable modern cars? Who fucking cares, if people actually cared about car safety they would all be lobbying to ban cars within cities and Tesla "F"SD would be illegal everywhere. Anyway it seems that the Swasticar branding is doing more damage to Tesla's reputation than any amount of ludicrous safety and manufacturing issues ever did.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

"F"SD

Fatal Self Driving

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

Because the percentages are less than the qty. The denominator is larger and the percentage is technically lower.

Idk I'm just talking out my ass but it sounds like it could math.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 month ago

Quick eyeball of Tesla figures shows about 5mil sold over all models. Ford Pinto sold about 3mil. So the percentages are pretty close with Tesla deaths nearly quadruple Pinto deaths. And the truck hasn't been out long so who know how many that will kill in accidents given its construction.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

That was the 90's. In 2025, you infiltrate the federal government, fire anyone investigating you, close departments that are a nuisance, and subvert the judicial branch.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

there are more teslas than there are pintos?

That seems like a safe bet to me.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yep, I can't use this statistic for anything if it can't compare to totals. I'm assuming that teslas, as a whole brand, outnumbers ford pinto, a single model, by at least 10x.

[–] deceitfulsteve 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Mor than 3 million Pintos were sold and all Tesla models combined are under 10 million

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

With this in mind, the fatality rate is roughly the same (so far)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

That would be a shockingly bad statistic for Tesla to be on par with a Pinto. Yikes

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I hate to defend Tesla because I hate the owner and there are serious issues with things like having the emergency escape door latches hidden and difficult to access...

But there were 1.5 million Pintos affected by the safety recall across 5 model years. Tesla sold more than that many cars last year alone, and estimates are they've sold about 7 million vehicles total.

The fire fatality rate was higher for Pinto than Tesla.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

It's hard to comprehend how things have simply inflated over the years. We're dealing with massive numbers now, compared to 1970-1980....

That being said, even with the much higher numbers, we should consider the fact that as the numbers have gone up, so has safety technology.

So the cars should be expected to be safer year over year. The percentage of failures should be less.

That being said, just because it's a smaller percentage doesn't necessarily mean that we shouldn't care about it happening.

In the end, I find your comment to be very useful in gaining a bit of perspective. While it might not fundamentally change my opinion, or anyone else's, it's good to understand the magnitude of these numbers, in comparison to the overall volume of vehicles out there.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

*Opens /all*

*3/first 5 posts "tesla" or "musk"*

"You don't hear about it."

My dude it's all I hear about ffs.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

I mean, the Cybertruck is a joke.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

She's a 21st century pinto, oh yeah!

A 21st century pinto, oh yeah!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Ah, yes, the thing we all haven't heard and seen constantly for years. /s

Tesla's exploding has been widely covered since the very first one happened, both as actual news and jokes/memes. This image is dumb as fuck, simply because of that. And I'd say with certainty that a LOT more people are aware of Teslas exploding than how many even know there was a car named Fort Pinto.
I'm all for Tesla going down the drain, and more of them exploding (without casualties), but report on that instead of making up dumb shit (that no one hears about it).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Went to check the numbers and this site says the total number of Tesla deaths is higher(although not specifically from fires)

www.tesladeaths.com

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I think the takeaway from that site is that the self driving deaths really aren't that far behind the deaths from Tesla fires.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For one thing, in the Pinto days we didn't have information firehoses shooting streams of content at us 24/7. People were putting up "Hang In There" cat posters with scotch tape. And "You don't have to be CRAZY to work here... but it helps!!!" Those were simpler times.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Tesla blames it on a software issue that will be "fixed in the next update"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

When Trump dies, President Musk will yeet the body in a flaming cybertruk to explode Obama's library because DEI

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I dunno, I've heard a lot of jokes about Teslas exploding

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Because censorship

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't doubt that model Ys catch fire sometimes but the pic on the right looks like AI to me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, that fire would be coming from the front storage space.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Adjusting for inflation that hardly seems like a.... oh fuck it. Things should be getting better not worse!

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

sigh

Because that's actually a lower number when you compare it to cars in general. Those 83 fatalities happened over a period of 10 years.

EVs catching fire left and right is actually, probably, a talking point manufactured by the oil industry. Be careful who you ally with when you hate Tesla.

Also, get the fuck out of Facebook or wherever you get these shit memes.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You guys heard about percentages?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

You are right. There were 3 million pintos sold. So far there have been 6 million teslas sold. So it's much worse than we thought. 1970s tech joke of a car has a better fire rate Than a 2020s tech car. Thanks for bringing that up!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Utilitarianism is really only viable when the other option is EVERYBODY dies (give-or-take a percentage point or two); killing 10 to save 1000 only really works as an argument if the alternative is 1010 unavoidable deaths. 20 avoidable deaths and 80 avoidable deaths are still a fuck ton of avoidable deaths, especially when we HAVE the resources and the knowledge to prevent them but we just don't because of profit margins and shareholders

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

You are all getting portable incineration in car free of charge and you complain?! Some people are impossible to please!

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