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[–] [email protected] 4 points 29 minutes ago (1 children)

Estonian here, first Yank* scientist on Lemmy to come work at University of Tartu gets a beer on me. Note that when I say "come work at" I mean I live in the city, not that I work at the university too. I dropped out after a semester and a half lol

* Yank refers to the entire USA here, though younger generations don't use it much. You could be from Texas or California and still be a Yankee.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

Same in Finland: a Californian or a Hawaiian is a Yankee (in Finnish: jenkki) here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Aberdeen and Glasgow too tbh.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

Emotional, fucking, damage.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Come to Australia! If you’re on the west coast of America, it’s not even that ridiculous a journey. It’s quite like America in lots of good ways, and less so in the insane, gun-toting ways. (Lots of idiot-trucks still, though 😞)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

You guys are gutting funding, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is amazing for us in Europe, bring all the educated ones and leave the Trumpers there

Fully onboard with this, welcome to Spain amigo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 27 minutes ago

Pity they leave the nukes there, for a bunch of rabid capitalist morons

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

The world is looking to China too, their sciences are blossoming. Exciting times ahead while Americans decide who they are and want to be and eventually go through their own Enlightenment. Things are bad now, but tyrants always fall eventually. I think we are entering a sort of golden age for science.

[–] Zink 22 points 23 hours ago

This feels sad on the surface, as an American who went to college 25 years ago and is used to seeing people from around the world move here to learn, teach, start businesses, etc.

But giving it any real thought, damn it, it is much better for humanity this way. Climate change isn’t going to pause while the world watches us collapse.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago

Yeah brain drain isn't as cool when it happens here, is it?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And as far as I’ve seen the numbers it’s working too. Anywhere in Europe that is academic or sciency is seeing record numbers of Americans applying. The brain drain will be real.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It has already been happening for several years now, it's just accelerated since Trump. Even before his first term there was a "negative brain drain" of educated workers no longer coming into the US because the benefits (paid time off, health care, etc) are so much worse compared to other countries, even when considering the higher pay. America used to rely on a steady stream of incoming highly educated workers.

But now there is a huge amount of well established academics leaving for Canada, EU, or anywhere else that will pay them. I work in a physics department at a large R1 university in a very liberal state, and we are losing 4 (that I know of) high regarded professors just this year alone moving to other countries.

The brain drain is here, and won't be reversing course even if Trump suddenly disappears. We would have to completely change how we reward work and our failing healthcare system for anything to change.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Makes sense. This is doing decades of damage. Plenty of past groundbreaking research came out of the US. But I get it. I wouldn’t want to move to the US either for very much the same reasons. Lack of affordable healthcare, lack of paid holidays and gun safety would be the main reasons. Lack of food regulation would also be a concern. And now the current regime and the way too large chunk of the population that still seems happy with it means we put even tourist travel plans to the US on hold. Too scary at the moment. Trying to help the best I can from here, but there’s only so much you can do at a distance.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's already happened in Florida and Idaho at least, Idaho lost a huge amount of medical professionals thanks to RvW and state passed open ended and vague laws. Florida lost just about all their teachers DeSantis is stuffing schools with sycophants with little to no education and no teaching credentials. We're already losing.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My daughter is about 2 years from graduating high school, and even before Trump came into office I was urging her to consider non-US colleges. Mostly because she wants to go into medicine and our healthcare system has been broken for much longer than I can remember. But also the rise of Fox News (and others) getting away with stating provable lies as fact, Joe Rogan, et al. showed that there has been an inflection point and the country is being led around by the dumbest of us.

She's fluent in Spanish, though jumping straight into a medical program would introduce a lot of new specialized words, and might be to much. We're starting to look into options though.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

College introduces a lot of new words in general. It is what it's for, plus, she will be in pre-med. Go for the Spanish route. She will flourish. :) Spain is so lovely. I hope I can land something there next.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Medical English is largely stripped-down Latin, I wonder how similar medical Spanish is

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Come to Germany! We do everything like the US, but with a 4 year delay and 10% less intense! Relive your memories of when your homeland went down the drain!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I feel like the 4 year delay is gonna hit it's threshold and start surpassing the US. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like Germany has the populous to shift very quickly. Now that the US is full Fascism I feel like Germany just got the acceleration card equipped. Which will also influence the rest of the west and Americans to hit the "kill all Muslims" button as hard as they can.

Starting with "Hamas/Palestine/Antisemitism" as the justification.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I still have the hope that people see the trainwreck the US is now and go "oh shit", and try to avoid it

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The reaction to Brexit in the rest of the EU - where almost from one month to the next people's support for the idea of leaving the EU crashed to less than half as much as shown in various polls at the time - gives me hope that what Trump is doing in America is actually crushing the chances of his ideology in the rest of the World.

This seems to already be happenning in Canada (we will know for sure once the result of their upcoming elections is out).

In summary, I think there is good reason to hope that the result in the rest of the World of the Fascist Far-Right taking over a high-profile country like the US will be either the crushing of the Far-Right or it very explicitly distancing itself from the kind of ideology espoused by Trump - in other words, that America, just like Britan with Brexit, is really and unwittingly taking one for the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

As a pretty terrified American, I actually take some comfort in this idea. Please learn from us. I just hope if things get that far here, that the rest of you will have some empathy for those of us who did not want this. So many comments from people in other countries are blaming every American for this. Seeing so many of those comments (mostly on Reddit) has been the second scariest part of all of this for me. I'm used to being hated in the abstract for being an American, but to think that if the fascists here get their way people like me have no hope of escape is too much to think about

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It low-key reads like one of those "lonely singles in your area" ads.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

It is not secret that the US has attracted talented academics for many years. I am sure that these kinds of advertisements are not new.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. People conducting cutting-edge research should receive suitable compensation. Don't see a problem with that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

& then that research gets gatekept by said country, do you agree to that

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I wasn't aware that publishing peer-reviewed work for anybody to read was "gatekeeping".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 44 minutes ago (1 children)

I said countries (as in governments & corporations)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 36 minutes ago

Research related to National Defense are usually kept confidential, and corporations have an incentive to not share there research to maintain competitive with their competitors. Neither of these seem out of the ordinary regardless of where you are on the globe.

Even still. The US government funds various institutions that share their research publicly, so I am not sure where you are really going with this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

I'm sure they're not.
I'm also pretty sure that they're working a lot better now than they were before...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

We have quite a shortage of doctors and other medical professionals in Slovenija. Come on over, guys!

ETA: and professors to teach at the medical university.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Most countries welcome medical professionals with open arms. They are always shortlisted. ;)

PS: I love Slovenija, it is so pretty. I reccomend it too!

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago

This thread gives me hope. Last Trump presidency Marcon told scientists to move to France. I was like... I hear you. Added 56 credit hours of math and science to my writing degree. Now I'm ready to do bioinformatics or something health data related not in the US.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is this why Elon is pushing for anti-immigration parties in the EU? He doesn't want people to leave?

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