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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Rain, ice and severe cold are a removed. I like bicycles, but driving to work in a heated car looking at that poor cyclist riding somewhere at 6 in the morning at -6°C, sorry, no, I'm gonna go with a car.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

are a removed.

Bro, it might be time to leave .ml lol

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I disagree cycling in winter is nice. Just get some warm clothes and good tyres. A car is also really expensive to own in the city. Why pay for a car and parking when the alternative is almost free and arguably more fun.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm disabled in a way that means I can't use one, but can use a car, which kinda sucks.

Fortunately bike infrastructure usually helps me in my chair, so I'm all in favor of wider bike adoption.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don’t know your limitations, but you’d be surprised at the number of ways cycling can be made accessible.

For example, there are handbikes that attach to a wheelchair. As with all assistive tech it depends on your specific situation what is possible.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Welcome to the Netherlands. If there's anything that fills me with pride it's our cycling culture. Most people have a car too, but I don't, and I do everything by bike and public transport.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Cars are the ultimate symbol of freedom because you just get in and go wherever to do whatever.

Pick nanna up? sure. Go buy her groceries? Sure. In the pouring rain? Ok. Pick up her dog from the vet? Yep. Drop by the garden store and grab 50kg of fertilizer? You bet.

You can do all of those things with out any planning or notice. You just get in and go wherever the day takes you.

I'm a bit bonkers about bikes. I have a cargo e-bike. It absolutely could do all of these things in separate trips. Doing all of them together would be a challenge but I am 100% here for that so long as nanna is. The main difference is planning. You need different gear, like a bike trailer for example. You're also probably going to pick the right time of day, like early before it gets too hot or too windy, provided that it's not raining.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

That freedom comes at quite a cost. Both to the driver and society. Riding a bike puts the "free" in freedom

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Not probably, a human riding a bicycle is the most efficient way to convert energy into movement. No other vehicle or animal can be as efficient.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (8 children)

A bicycle gives you freedom of lightweight activities within a few miles of your home. You want to play baritone sax in the band 25 miles away? It's not happening with a bike.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (11 children)

car go further faster, and car more useful when not in big city.

[–] kunaltyagi 14 points 1 week ago (14 children)

For this, bike friendly cities have good public transport (bus/tram/metro) and bike shares

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A related question: why is the "big tough guy" image a guy in a truck?

Like, you push a pedal with your foot to make your vehicle go vroom vroom. A granny could do that.

Surely a tough guy is a guy who is straining huge muscles to make a bike hit 50 km/h. A skilled guy is one who can maneuver his bike down a narrow mountain-bike track.

Imagine looking back in history and seeing a dude being carried around in a sedan chair and thinking that was the ideal image of masculinity, rather than the surely jacked dudes carrying him.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (8 children)

because conservatives are fat

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Bikes are awesome. I would love to experience the joy of waking up in the morning and riding a bike to work. No traffic, healthy and all that good shit. I live, however, 40min away from my work by car and 3 hours by bike, one way. I dont see this changing in the foreseeable future so my idea of freedom has to be something different.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In Europe this would likely be 30 mins commute on a train if you work in any sizable city. And you can take your bike on the train and finish the rest of the commute on the bike.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bikes dont contribute to climate change

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, I understand what you mean but they do a little. Metal and rubber production are the obvious parts. Compared to a car that burns fuel it's meaningless ofcourse.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (52 children)

I dare you to travel on your own bicycle in the depths of winter across the USA in the same timeframe as a car.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Eh, I did that for a couple years in Utah and it was largely fine. When the snow got nasty, I took the bus.

That was back when my commute was 10 miles (16km) with a segregated bike path the whole way. My new commute is more than double that, so I drive. But if we weren't so car centric, things would be more compact and I wouldn't have this nasty commute.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

But demonstrate the incontrovertible need for a car during one's regular commute through an average modern city. And I'm even offering the main exception - busses and taxis/ride sharing/whatever the current nomenclature, as I consider public transportation to be its own independent thing, unrelated to Cars.

I think the people who would enjoy such a venture via bike have or are already doing it, the rest of us would just like to be able to ride the bike through the city without having to play Frogger with three lanes filled with enraged lumps of cortisol *wrapped in two tons of steel and various other such substances.

Edit: added * to further drive home the viscerality of my desire.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The reason you can't is much more about infrastructure than weather, especially within cities

Source: I live in Scandinavia and everyone bikes even when it's cold

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Anyone who has ridden in rain and adverse weather would know one reason cars are more popular.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Picking up a week's worth of shopping for a family, whilst taking your baby with you, in the pouring rain, and you live up a steep hill, and you have joint pain, and a sudden work meeting across the other side of town in an hour...

I'd love a city designed round bicycles (Cambridge, UK is quite good like that in the centre) but man, despite the downsides cars are amazing things.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (22 children)

Because showing up to a client meeting dripping in sweat on a 103 degree day is considered to be poor form. Because I got a new job and don’t have an extra two hours in my day to ride a bike back and forth, and moving isn’t in the cards. Because I have to carry a couple kids and all the crap the goes along with them.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

because the US sucks ass and the entire world just does what the US does is also sucking of the ass.

It's not that I disagree with you, it's that we can do better and we're not.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Arrive to work soaked in sweat because it's been 100+ degrees every day for the past 8 weeks.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You lose the benefits of it being cheap, but an ebike is a decent solution

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

The auto industry will fight tooth and nail to avoid anything that impacts their revenue generation.

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