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I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Ultimately yes, its the fault of the voters (and non voters) who let their emotions cloud their judgement. Thats true whether you like it or not. Especially if Gaza was your main issue; if you saw both candidates and thought Trump was better for the situation, you need to seriously look inward and consider your reasoning abilities.

That being said, the opposition party does not get off the hook so easily here. The fact that Trump could win despite everything he said is a total and utter failure. Their strategy is bad, and they refuse to acknoledge it because to do so means that they need to upend their internal heirarchy. They have buried their heads in the sand when it comes to accepting the playing field of politics right now, and quite frankly as a party they look incredibly weak.

In other words, to not acknoledge that the election was theirs to lose is also denying reality

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 minutes ago* (last edited 11 minutes ago)

Democrats also have a fair share of blame for refusing to work with the left, and instead siding with war criminal Dick fucking Cheney.

If they had made any effort to inspire people to vote for them they would have gotten more votes.

Honestly I'm surprised they got as many votes as they did seeing as they actively worked to alienate their vote base.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Portraying abstaining, third party, and trump voters in the same group is pretty lazy, if not intentional.

The electoral college exists: Every person I knew in swing states voted Harris in exchange for someone in CA or WA voting Claudia de la Cruz or otherwise.

But I guess even Harris voters can be made into Trump supporters with enough effort at this stage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

I think your criticism of grouping them all is fair. Nevertheless the question OOP asked has been generating insightful discussion so I can’t really be to upset.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (4 children)

I just don't understand people railing at the non voters and the people who voted for Trump. It seems as backward as a rocket scientist raging at drag and wind breaking their rocket. "How dare the wind do this! Don't they know this will progress humanity!?!"

It's your job to build a rocket that can withstand the air at those speeds. The air is always a problem you have to deal with, and no, you can't shame the air into doing what you want.

Genuinely the democratic campaign seemed more like they were pushing a trolley problem than a future. So why is everyone so shocked it failed?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 43 minutes ago

You compare voting to the laws of physics. They're not even remotely similar. Politics is choice.

A more apt compatison would be a little kid crying that he wants a chocolate ice cream, his mum says he should order that, then to be funny/petulant/assertive he orders strawberry - and gets mad at his mum when the server gives him strawberry. "It was your job to make me choose what I wanted!", he wails.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

excellent analogy.

airflow and friction can be manipulated and corrected. Trump knows this and has been doing it for 8 years.

sure, wind drag is an infuriating factor, i get pissed off at it sometimes, but it will never take the majority of the blame from me compared to the people forcing us all into the damn rocket.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The air and the drag are entities without a brain.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

So are trump voters and non-voters.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

this but uncynically

in a state with massive poll wait times, no day off for voting, and leadership that gives voters reason to hate their guts every day, not voting is literally the default, no brain option.

it shouldn’t be, but it is. dems had the choice to either accept that situation and work with it, or just say fuck you everyone and hope for the best.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (18 children)

Okay I'm getting sick of the whole "the dems failed us" bullshit.

WE failed. WE let this happen. WE had the choice between an obvious dictator or continued democracy.

You can shift the blame all you want but at the end of the day it was an obvious choice. You can come up with any other excuse you want. If you didn't vote for Harris you are to blame. Period. End of fucking story.

Edit: The dems should've been able to run a wet paper bag against Trump and win. The fuck is wrong with people to not see that?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

The dems should've been able to run a wet paper bag against Trump and win. The fuck is wrong with people to not see that?

Everyone sees it, thus our point that the Dems are to blame because they didn't fucking win. You guys trying to absolve them of their sins act like the reality of voting is that everyone will vote perfectly logically for the lesser evil when that has never been how voting works

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