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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here πŸ”πŸ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Tweet is from early december. Why is it blowing up now?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

I guess on the one hand people are anxious about Trumps inaugeration and on the other hand this is a great opportunity for competitors or otherwise opposed people to launch an astroturfing campaign off of it.

When looking at posts titled has gone "full MAGA" for saying they feel Trump is more likely to enact antitrust rules against big tech than Democrats who let them down the past years, is just absurd.

It is the same line of reasoning like claiming the WHO to have been a chinese asset because they supported some of Chinas anti-Covid measures.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (10 children)

This is amazing. People were perfectly okay with ignoring all the red flags in Proton and their products and really okay with buying all their bullshit, then a tweet saying Trump comes up and that's it. lol

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mullvad is supposed to be a safe and secure VPN.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Unfortunately not a mail or storage provider.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

Thanks for this post. Any alternatives for Drive specifically?? Including self-hosted options

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[–] AnAmericanPotato 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Tuta.com is similar to Proton Mail + Calendar.

  • Location: Germany

  • Governance: Private GmbH (German corporation, similar to an American LLC)

  • Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency: Better than Proton IMHO. All their apps are open source and available on F-Droid. They encrypt email headers (unlike Proton, who are weaselly about this in their marketing materials).

  • User Experience: Ehhhh...6? I'm not in the best position to compare because I do not have a premium plan, so I am not able to examine features like inbox rules/filters. Much like Proton, it doesn't support full-text email search unless you have it cache your entire mailbox locally (either via the web site or app). They do not support POP or IMAP, but do offer their own desktop and mobile apps.

  • Pricing: €3/month for 20GB, €8/month for 500GB. https://tuta.com/pricing

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

Just looking for a free alternative..

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don’t use proton, but I would be grateful if you could share a link on how Proton sided with fascists.

Also, I use Mullvad for VPN and I host my own email

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They didn't exactly "side with fascists", but Andy Yen, one of the board members on the Non-Profit that owns Proton AG, has very bad takes on politics, and just has a right-wing "Libertarian" vibe.

https://x.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660 (https://archive.is/l1WYU)

https://x.com/andyyen/status/1812442643726537182 (https://archive.is/ADc8C)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Huh, I wasn’t very concerned with your links… but I googled and found out Andy Yen is the founder. That’s alarming

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

True, but Tim Brenners-Lee is also on the board, and he historically has generally good takes on tech and politics.

People are often unwilling to go against the positions of the guy who created the World Wide Web.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Uggghhh I just upped for two years. Fucking asshats are all caving to the orange fuckhead. Probably off to Europe somewhere.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Damn it my two year subscription just got refreshed...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

My personal recommendations:

https://uberspace.de

  • Server location (jurisdiction): Germany
  • Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency: About-Page
  • User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8): 6
  • Pricing: Based on solidarity, but recommend minimum is 5 € per month

https://www.hostsharing.net

  • Server location (jurisdiction): Germany
  • Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency: well, you own part of hostsharing if you use it (collective-ownership)
  • User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8): 6
  • Pricing: 64 € onetime payment + 10 € per month (cooperative)

Other recommendations:

  • mailbox.org, systemli.org, riseup.net, posteo.de (as far as I know all of them are located in Germany)
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