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###Update###

I tried a bit of Notesnook. While it wasnt bad it didnt quite fit the expectation that obsidian created for me for what I want. Maybe it was user error but I honestly can't say what specific aspect bothered me.
For now I decided to stay with what I have experience witg and bought a year of Obsidian-sync for 1 Remote-Vault

Thanks to everyone that suggested me solutions to my really specific problem. I appreciate that and I love(d) the discouse I seemingly sparked in this post.
Please continue commenting. Maybe someone else still hasnt found their solution yet :)

Original Post:

Hello fellow lemmy users, for the lack of a better fitting community I hope my request for help fits here the best.

I am a bit of a scatter-brain, have some notes in Google Keep, OneNote, Obsidian and in GitHub or other places. This is partially multiplied by splitting my work stuff with my home stuff.

What I like about every app I use so far

  • OneNote: I like the way I can write on something like a canvas. Very useful if the note does fit the general theme of the page but not at the exact position. Also helps by utilizing the big space of a horizontal monitor. Also it now sports a very good mobile editor.
  • Obsidian: So easy to backlink between notes and I love the graph view. I also like the extension "code styler" which lets me format inline code blocks with syntax highlighting (e.g.: `{powershell icon} Get-ChildItem -Path C:\Path\To\Folder -Filter XYZ*`).
    I like to learn scripting but I also use obsidian for RL-stuff and technical non-code like keeping track of configs, settings, wishlists etc.
  • Google Keep: I bastardize the check-box feature to keep track of (online) shop orders. Mostly the only reason is that checked items get hidden in a collapsed section

    Any other program that let's me to that (even with plugin/extension) is a valid replacement candidate

What I dislike:

  • OneNote:
    • Quite difficult to link between notes (unsupported on mobile)
    • Limited to 1 folder deep notes. Currently work around that by using the horizontal space or multi notes.
    • A bit clunky to edit bigger notes
    • By microsoft.
  • Obsidian:
    • No native way to have everything on a server outside of using the obsidian-sync service for $4 or the community plugin which requires me to use some novel type of db called couch-db (ugh, another service to keep updated/troubleshoot). I can stomach the $4 but am limited to only one vault which I don't really like.
  • Google Keep:
    • Google
    • No real way to have everything backed up. Only use it for quick notes or for my shipment list. Everything else is probably exported to Obsidian/OneNote if I feel like doing house-keeping.

How I currently manage/store my files:

  • Right now I use
  • OneNote which is stored on OneDrive (I like how Outlook (classic) works and I got 1TB of cloud storage),
  • Obsidian which syncs with the plugin "remotely sync" to my OneDrive folder.
  • Google Keep: Dunno. Probably some account storage on google

What I want:

  • A primarily server-side setup or with a native sync feature that works like on OneNote: The true source is my server or the cloud, the client only streams/caches the data locally. I have no problem with individual markdown files.
    I just dislike the general need to sync them manually with external tools like syncthing.
    I already have a good backup solution on my main server and secondary server (For the curious: Veeam backup and replication that backs my proxmox VMs). No need to manage another set of backups. Another reason I want everything in one spot as I already have everything scattered.
  • A tree view of my notes like obsidian and OneNote does. Plus point if the app can even do sections like OneNote does.
  • (Optional) A way change-log of the edits done. Some apps do it by implementing git or have a very rudimentary way to manage that
  • Mobile/desktop companian app: PWA is okay but I would probably miss out on the caching feature. I would prefer an actual (android) app on my phone. Same for Windows.

What I found so far but have issues so far:

  • silverbullet: Server-side but seems to miss the side bar with the tree view (which can probably be added by another extension). Seems like the best candidate so far
  • Joplin: Seems alright to use but I can't use callouts which (to me) is mandatory to use with coding/scripting tasks.
  • Obsidian: Fits best of all I found but I dislike the $4. But still miles better as the former option which was (i believe) $15 monthly
  • BookStack: I bit limited how it manages the change-log. Seems okay
  • Outline: No way to sync it without paying beyond manual sync. Didnt try it out much but I like how it looks.
  • Logseq: Same issues as with obsidian: Paid sync. Didnt look much beyond
  • Joplin: Sufficient but no callouts :(
  • Trilium Notes: Maintenance mode. Not a deal-breaker but I don't want to migrate something that could maybe die :/

Thanks for reading the wall of text and I wish you a good start into the year of 2025. ✌️

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just use Obsidian + Syncthing + MEGA. My obsidian folders are on my mega synced folder on my pc, and they are set up to use syncthing to push updates to all my other devices (2 phones and a tablet), but you can have as many devices as you want. It's all free as well, and the cloud service can be any that you like.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Keep in mind that the Syncthing Android app was discontinued and thus isnt viable long term. The team wont work anymore on it and once it breaks it's done for.
I could use Resilio for that but meh...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Only the one written by the original Dev. There are others like syncthing fork.

Its still a perfectly viable solution for android.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I didn't read the entire wall of text but didn't see it listed. check out notesnook.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Seems like a good candidate. Bookmarked it and will take a look. Thanks for the suggestion!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Ooh, I will be giving this a go!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I use this too, such a great app.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can still recommend you Logseq and Obsidian.

They store their database mostly as plain markdown, so you can just use your sync app of choice (Nextcloud, Syncthing, etc.) to sync everything between devices.

Maybe Logseq offers their sync as self hostable service too, I don't know.

I find Logseq extremely awesome and would recommend it to you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

+1 for logseq & syncthing. I use it across Windows, Linux and Android to my NAS.

synthing has versioning so I don't lose edits - kinda like OneNote

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Another vote for Silverbullet, I've been using it for a while and it's great. There is a tree view plugin that's very easy to install, however I disabled it after a short while because I realized that, because of the way I take notes, that is a lot less useful than other features.

For example, I have a folder with all my cooking recipes, at first I thought having a Tree view would be good there, but actually if I use the querying mechanism I can have tables that give me more information than just the name, e.g. tags, difficulty, etc. also this works regardless of where the recipes are, so if I want to create a subfolder structure or scrap recipes from elsewhere in the whole space it would work (granted, not very useful for recipes, but I also have a table for work tools, some of which are embebed on another page, some of which are a page of their own, and I have a table that lists all of the tools to give me an overview)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Regarding Joplin: I don't know what you mean by callouts, but it does have a plug-in system. Perhaps there is one containing what you need?

If not, and it's not beyond your skill set, you could build it yourself.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I hear you on the obsidian vault costs, but for what it saves me in hassle I ended up going the full license, with 10 vaults.. I have one for home, one for work, one for testing obsidian plugins/new tricks, and my also kid uses one for school...

So far, bulletproof, and individual crypto keys for vaults means separation between church/state/school is maintained...

The sync handles simultaneous editing on phone/laptop so that's golden.

I alsu use nebo for handwritten notes on my android tablet, and export text to my daily note. (Just wish it exported MD properly! 🫤)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Note for Obsidian, there is a git plugin that can auto-push/pull from a repo. I put my repo on a server and have multiple devices use it as a sync feature (there is also a VPN to my home network involved). Not sure how well it works on the android app (its pure lazyness as to why I haven't tried that yet...)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As far as my research today yielded the implementation on Android is error-prone due to no native git integration.
As long as it's less stable than using remotely-save + OneDrive it's a pass :/
having a solid git integration that works without much fuzz (e.g. manually committing, annotating) would be lovely though.

This seems very error-prone: https://www.reddit.com/r/ObsidianMD/comments/17odzjb/obsidian_android_syncing_via_github_in_2023/
And this seems very dangerous without a native full integration: https://github.com/Vinzent03/obsidian-git?tab=readme-ov-file#performance-on-mobile

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I actually only discovered silverbullet a few days ago, but liking it so far.

The TreeView plugin is documented here: https://silverbullet.md/Plugs/TreeView

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I just use Joplin, encrypted, and synced through dropbox. Tried logseq, but never really figured out how to use its features effectively. The notebook/note model of Joplin seems more natural to me. My coding/scripting stuff mostly just goes into git repos.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I use Obsidian with a docker version of CouchDB. Used to store on Dropbox using Remotely Save.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

community plugin which requires me to use some novel type of db called couch-db (ugh, another service to keep updated/troubleshoot).

I am fine with paying for obsidian-sync as I like the service and am experienced with their flavor of markdown. But before I cough up another money hole for a rarely (1-3 times per month) accessed program I'd prefer another (self-hosted) alternative and donate to the dev instead.
I also don't like hosting what I don't quite understand (that means mostly databases). I am already uneasy to host the mariaDB I have setup for hortusFox.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I agree that I don't like the sync stored in a db rather than a directory of files. I just reminded myself that Remotely Save also saves to webdav on my Synology NAS and to Nextcloud. Since I have both available, I will be looking at them again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just as an FYI its done like this because its vastly faster than flat files.

This is also the reason why NextCloud has lots of complaints about speed and files getting locked and not syncing properly.

Apps that are way faster (seafile, owncloud GO) use proprietary file stores.

Obsidian Live sync works extremely well and quickly to the point that the update speed is almost like a google docs with multiple editors. Couchdb is why.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

For this application, I like flat files. After the initial sync, I only edit one little md file at a time and syncing it should not take long at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Now testing Obsidian -> Remotely Save -> webdav -> Synology NAS

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Tried couple of them but still came back to Obsidian with remotely-save (for me it's S3 but doesn't matter) for last 2 years. The sheer simplicity plus the fact that I don't have to synchronize every second (it's only my notes, no collaboration) beats every other solution.

If you'd like an alternative, see Trillium Next (community driven fork) but despite the fact that it's great it doesn't beat my current setup (yet 😉)

Affine is good too, but it is a bit more complicated with the benefit of more features.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Joplin: Sufficient but no callouts :(

Can you give an example of those "callouts"? Joplin has many plugins, many you can find that in there.

My only complaint about Joplin is that there's no production / real WebUI for it yet.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Still early in development, but I'm liking Affine. Self hostable, and the whiteboard tools are pretty great

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lol at the obsidian criticisms in the self hosted community :)

Couchdb is like 20 years old and not exactly 'novel'

I setup a docker for his like 2 years ago and did nothing other than update once in that time. Live sync has otherwise been rock solid on multiple devices.

Obsidian not being open source is very valid criticism. The above 2 things really aren't.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Maybe check out TriliumNext.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Am I blind or is it mobile only? Would probably create issues if I use 3rd party plugin features in other apps if I don't stay markdown-only Also it seems like I have to manually sync the file?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can sync it using e.g. webdav and use any app you want on another client

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I use Obsidian and pay for Sync. You are not limited to one vault, I have multiple vaults synced, don't know where you got that information?

Can recommend doing this, vault is E2E encrypted and the people behind Obsidian seem decent. They are very much opposed to taking VC money and the growth at all cost mindset. See the blog of their CEO to get a vibe check: https://stephango.com/

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