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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

What that person meant was basically the difference between left and right or pro and anti abortion:

There right wants to ban abortion for everyone in fear of even 1 abortion that would have been a perfectly fine baby. (Which they would perceive as murder)

The left wants to allow abortions for everyone in fear of even one forced birth leading to a death. A death that was preventable by a abortion.

The right of a baby to live DOES NOT "TRUMP" THE RIGHT OF THE WOMAN TO CHOOSE. End of debate.

They are incredibly different perspectives.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean the concept is not difficult to grasp. They are comparing one horrific thing to a group of thirty thousand horrific things and choosing the lesser evil. They are not "okay" with ten-year olds being raped... Claiming so is a reading comprehension error.

The issue here is that we don't agree with them that those 30k other "horrific" events are all that horrific.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is very well said. So many people make this out to be a men vs. women power struggle when it is really focused on whether a fetus is human or not. That's why well-informed women can be pro-life, and well-informed men can be pro-choice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Exactly. It's a fundamental difference of opinion, nothing else. We don't know much about what a fetus can feel or sense prior to a certain number of weeks, in the normal case, I'm guessing. So opinions and assumptions, and straw men, take over the discourse and debates. It's all set up to fail, and to keep your focus on something that can't be resolved. Mission accomplished.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

If it's murder, it's a genocide. If it isn't, it's infringing women's rights. Sadly this makes the problem unignorable, and idiots tend to be the loudest.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It is not about the fetus. It's about the person carrying the fetus.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I mean, yes, for us who believe the fetus isn't very "alive" before a certain age. I agree.

But not for everyone, sadly.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It isn't about whether or not a fetus is human. It's about bodily autonomy. Making it a question about a fetus's humanity misses the point. It's a question about whether or not a person has control over their own body.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

We have to embrace false dichotomies because the only alternative is cannibalism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, they're saying that they're okay with a child giving birth, which is just as bad.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This gets somehow worse the more carefully I read it.

So, checking my notes, what I've got is that...

He wants to stop 30k+ abortions (I assume all abortions, more or less) And for that he's fine with having the "occasional" rape-incest baby.

Rape because there's no way for a 10 year old to mentally grasp the responsibility and weight of consent, so even if they said the right words that they consented, which they almost certainly did not, they wouldn't be properly informed of what they're consenting to, making the consent completely devoid of any meaning, aka, making it rape.

He values the lives of unwanted potential people, who are little more than parasites sucking life from the mother until they can sustain themselves without the need to leech another lifeform for existence.... Above all women, and even child mothers that are victims of incest and rape.

And they see this as the moral choice?

Can we let Luigi go? His job isn't finished. There's still a lot of bottom feeding scum around that need to be... Ahem dealt with.

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