I kept saying since last year Biden was throwing away his campaign but noooooooo, its the voters who are wrong.
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This is amazing. Kamala didn't do enough so we are going with the guy who has literally said he will fuck up everything we stand for.
I actually think this is a very important lesson for Democrats: if you expect voters to vote rationally, you will lose. You can't win by trying to appeal to people's intellect and reason, you have to try and appeal to emotions and passions. If that sounds potentially dangerous, that's because it is, but unless they're willing to abandon democracy, I don't see any other option.
Who could have guessed that "I'm 100% aligned with the guy who is helping to kill your extended family, but the other guy is probably worse" would result in a negative emotional response.
Who could have guessed
Not the Democrats, apparently.
Although, to be fair to the Democrats, it is difficult, if not impossible, to appeal to every potential voter's emotions, especially in the Israel-Palestine conflict. It's essentially impossible to try and appeal to the emotions of those sympathetic to Palestine without upsetting voters who are sympathetic to Israel, and vice versa.
Yeah, there's no perfect "everyone loves me" choice for any issue. I do think the salience of the issue was probably different between Muslims and Jews though. "Not giving Israel more free bombs in their time of need" when they're already dominating the battlefield is a different level of criticality than "is callously killing my family". Plus, many Jews were also passionately against the genocide. It wasn't simply a matter of adding up all the Jewish voters and Muslim voters and going with whichever number was bigger.
There was some path that minimized the number of voters so turned off by the choice that they'd abandon the Democrats, and I'm confident where they landed was no where close to that. I'm also confident that getting that one issue right would not have turned the tide and made Harris win, it's just one of many she failed to handle by charting the path that was "I'm Biden, but reliably able to form sentences".
It's not even just logic versus emotion. It's what was on offer. People are hurting. Harris said that was an economic victory and it wouldn't change. Trump acknowledged they were hurting and promised change.
The post election and exit polling made that extremely clear. Running a stock corporate campaign that claimed Biden was doing everything great was never going to work.
The thing is, many of the people who were hurting economically and wanted Trump to change things are already crediting Trump with fixing the economy. Polling in swing states between October and November showed a huge swing in voters perception of the economy even though nothing actually changed. So I’d argue this is just emotion for a significant fraction of voters.
I'd say a perception. But yeah it feels a lot easier to deal with stuff when you believe it's temporary.
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Hard to muster a lot of sympathy for this mindset. SMH.
Look I get it, the Dems didn't do enough to win over their base and instead went to the center.
But these Dearborn folks in the article get what they deserve and should really shut the fuck up. They voted for a man who said he would extend his Muslim country travel ban to gaza and still thought somehow he was on their side.
You are a complete a total dumbass if you thought he was on your side. He has years and years of lying out of his ass and you believed him and it's the Democrats fault? No I reject that. He literally stated in 2023 that he would extend his travel ban to Gaza. I feel like I need to take crazy pills or something, these people are insufferable.
The article states that some of them just wanted a candidate to acknowledge them, which trump did. Regardless of how he's actually going to implement policies, he did a bare minimum for them, which reflects in the results.
No other real editorializing needed, unfortunately.
How completely pathetic some people can be. I don't understand.
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What do they have to worry about? Their guy won!