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If only it were that simple (lemmy.world)

submitted 4 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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It presents a slight problem when the ones they're bringing in to deal with the shitty politicians are the people who paid them to be shitty in the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

You mean like HR 1 For the People Act which passed the house twice but got filibustered and 30 years of campaign finance reform starting with a 1995 bill outlawing large donations (which was passed in 2002 but stricken down by the scotus 5:4 as the basis for Citizens United) that

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Republicans refuse to pass?

This is a partisan issue, bothsidesing this is pure ignorance. Get 60 Dem senators and watch it get fixed.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

So here's the deal. Republicans are objectively worse. Full stop. Anyone that thinks otherwise is just wrong.

But that doesn't absolve Democrats. Why did they never enshrine abortion rights into law in the decades since Roe v Wade? Why is it every time they have control suddenly they are helpless to actually deliver on their promises? Why do they refuse to do anything beyond lip service for unions? Why won't they get rid of the filibuster? Why didn't Biden even try to expand the supreme court as soon as it was clear it was corrupted?

Democrats are controlled opposition, that's it. When the plebs start getting rowdy they jump in to control the movement and bring it back in line.

Neither Democrats nor Republicans are going to go against the wealthy who own them. And the sooner we all start working in that reality the better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Right right, that's all fine, but we need to elect minimum 60 Democrats. Full stop. We need to support electing 60 Democrats. We can all gather around and discuss how to sort out our Democrats after we remove the Republican Menace.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You kinda worked yourself into a dead end there. It's impossible for 60 democrats to win in the Senate with the way the DNC currently acts. The idea that people need to just believe in the DNC is never going to sway the average voter who's getting poorer by the day.

We can all gather around and discuss how to sort out our Democrats after we remove the Republican Menace.

Remove it from... What, exactly? Even if they do win 60 seats, do you think Republicans will disappear from existence? They'll fuck around with their lame duck policies and get their ass handed to them by the GOP the next election. And setting all that aside: They could've just fucking gotten rid of the filibuster. The fact they haven't after what the GOP did during Obama's term should tell you all you need to know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

DNC don't decide if they win, we do. This is our job to do.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

And it's never getting done, is the point here. This talk of jobs and duty will never get voters, no matter how much anyone wants it to.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

60 Democrats HAVE been elected before and nothing changed...

Did you even read my comment?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

We had 60 for less than one month almost two decades ago. Since then we've elected less every year and blamed them more every year.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Curious that, if all they need is 60 Democrats, why they didn't seize that opportunity to try and deliver everything they've promised. Working 24/7 to pass bill after bill. And instead just squandered it...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh yeah they should have asked the house nicely to vote to reform every system in the entire government in less than one month: you clearly do not want anything fixed, why are you being so disingenuous?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Nice personal attack. I guess I made you uncomfortable in your beliefs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If me asking an honest question is a personal attack, then clearly the truth is your enemy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't matter. Everything is a conspiracy. Everything is the fault of some mysterious cabal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Sir, excuse me, sir, pardon me you almost left behind this very important /s. These things are mandatory, wouldn't want to lose it.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Dems could just... Choose to get rid of the filibuster.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

There have been more Republicans than Democrats in senate since 2015 so removing the filibuster just gives Republicans everything they want with simple majority votes.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What? The Dems have the Senate right now no?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

No, they don't. Dems have 47 seats currently, 4 Independents caucus with the DNC to select majority leader who calls votes.

In a month it changes over to GOP majority control because last election more people voted for Republicans.

If any legislation gets introduced that the GOP doesn't like, the GOP can filibuster it and it wont pass without 60 votes.

That includes budget bills that allow the entire US Military to operate and all of its members to get salaries and healthcare coverage, as well as general budgets for the rest of the federal government including congress, airports, and regulatory offices. Thats why shitty budgets with antitrans policy is getting passed.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

There is a truism as old as civilization itself. I subscribe to it.

If you want to know who is most responsible, you need only find the one who profited most.

There may be rare exceptions, but they are rare exceptions. Our elected officials are just the owner's revolving door, well bribed middle managers. The vast majority of them never rise to the level of oligarch.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

This was a riskily bad meme.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Left is correct.