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Even gamers nexus' Steve today said that they're about to start doing Linux games performance testing soon. It's happening, y'all, the year of the Linux desktop is upon us. ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ

Edit: just wanted to clarify that Steve from GN didn't precisely say they're starting to test soon, he said they will start WHEN the steam OS releases and is adopted. Sorry about that.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago (16 children)

New to the Linux community here; why is a valve owned Linux OS better than any other massive company OS. Like if Microsoft released their own Linux OS, would it be good suddenly?

At the end of the day, we don't want our OS's big company owned right?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Because it's open source and based on the Linux kernel. It's owned by them but you can do what you want with it. You can't with Windows.

So if a game works on the Steam OS, it works on pretty much any distro

I game with Steam on Linux, but I'm not using Steam OS

Also, that means that every effort made by Valve to improve compatibility is beneficial to everyone.

Edit: Also, even if it were closed source, I think it would still be good as it gives us alternatives to Windows. But

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Valve dosnt really "own" SteamOS. They maintain and update SteamOS, but SteamOS is free and open source

Plus just about everbody who knows anything about steam would tell you they are probably the most consumer friendly billion dollar company ever, and have been for decades. So yes even if they owned it like microsoft owns windows it would still be better

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

If it's like the steam deck version, it'll be based on Arch with a bunch of steam-specific patches/configs to make games run more easily (with the added bonus of making non-steam games run pretty well too). Steam exists to sell games, and if they want to make it easier for me to play games, that's fine by me.

Not sure what a Microsoft distro would look like, but if they make a distro that'll run Xbox games with gamepass, I'd give it a shot.

Another nice bonus for either/both of those situations is that it wouldn't be too hard to incorporate those changes into other distros. That way people who want more of an "install and go" experience would have their official distros, people who like to tinker could work on importing the official code into their unofficial setup, and people who use arch btw can install it from the AUR.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

Like if Microsoft released their own Linux OS, would it be good suddenly?

It's worth noting that steamOS, like any Linux distro has its issues and a bit of a learning curve. Especially if you want to go off the beaten track, it's pretty much just using a stock arch distro.

As for if MS switched to Linux, no it wouldn't be good because the issues with Win11 overwhelmingly aren't a matter of incompetence or anything inherent to the code, but of conscious anti-consumer business decisions. There's nothing about Linux that would actively stop MS from cramming telemetry, bloat, etc. In their distro.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

The source is always free so you could fork it if you disagree with them. Also it means broader support for Linux gaming

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

Not answering your comment directly, and I don't even use Linux, BUT..

One reason a lot of us don't use Linux even if we really want to us because it's biggest strength is also one of its biggest weaknesses, that being it's modularity.

There isn't a single packaging system, window manager, file system, shell, etc etc.

This makes it hard for companies (and devs in general) to target Linux for releases. For example you want to release something for Windows, you build a single exe, apple is a dmg (I think) etc so you just build for one single platform with a consistent API.

When you want to build for Linux there can't be just one build/package. This has actively been cited as reasons why some commercial software doesn't support Linux, as it takes far more effort to support all major permutations of platform and package management.

So back to your question, why is Valve's Steam OS going to help? Because it's going to be a single platform with a single way of doing things. You can always go and replace the bits like any Linux distro but out the box it will be easy enough for vendors to support, it will hopefully also get more adoption because it has commercial support.

Look at Android as an example (I know it's not entirely the same), but that is just a customised version of Linux, but as it's consistent and has a single way to manage packages it's widely adopted.

I am pretty sure Linus himself said how one of the reasons why Linux desktop doesn't have mass adoption is because no one can agree on how things should be done, so we have hundreds of libs all doing the same thing in a different way. Valve will pick what they think is best (even if it isn't technically the best) and through that we all have a singular point of effort and adoption to centralise on.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

As long as they can keep it rolling stable, which is possible even with arch, I can see this pickup up a bit, especially for new users.

Plenty of users are sick of windows 11.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (5 children)

This is the fifth person I see misinterpreting what Steve said about doing Linux performance testing, they aren't going to start doing this soon, they will only start doing it WHEN SteamOS is released for desktops! It was very clear on the video FFS

I'm also really fucking excited for that tho, I recently switched to mint and helldivers 2 actually feels smoother than on windows, it has been such a good experience!! I cannot imagine how much better things will get with more people jumping to Linux and thus game makers actually pay attention to us

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

My apologies. Fixed it in the main post with an edit

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks you! And sorry if I was too aggressive, reading it again it sounded way more aggressive than I expected, I just wanted to sound energetic instead, my bad

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

Of course, and no worries. We are all good :)

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[–] Zink 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

This is so great to see, and the timing is perfect.

My son already calls the PC Steam, as in “we played game A on Xbox and game B on Steam,” so maybe by the time he has a PC in his room Steam really will run the whole platform.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

I thought this had already happened?

I remember seeing ads on Steam for SteamOS years ago—wasn’t there a point at which you could download and run it on your own computer? What happened?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago

From what I recall, it wasn't something you could easily use like a normal distro, and that version was based on Debian (so stable but outdated software). It only worked on some hardware, and you had to do a full system wipe.

More likely, this is them officially partnering with handheld or gaming laptop makers, using their latest Arch-based distro and allowing them to use Valve/Steam branding as a selling point.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

If I recall correctly, this has never happened the way it's happening now. It was a matter of "hey, you can fork it on GitHub and make your own iso thing", hence why there was a "holoiso" or something like that that (I keep forgetting the name) where people used if they wanted to install steamOS on a device. This one is straight supported by valve. Like "hey, here is our official steam OS that we use on our steam deck. Use it and we will support you".

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago

Old steam os was an Ubuntu derived OS. Ubuntu has issues relating to the organization that runs it. New steam os is basically a coat of paint on top of Arch which is community based. The old os is deprecated.

The version on steam deck is fantastic, but they have been polishing it for desktop use for a while now. I can’t wait to have it available.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago

let's goooo

[–] [email protected] 174 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (30 children)

To anyone reading this thinking "once SteamOS comes out, I'll switch", you should know:

Gaming on Linux is already here. Pick a distro and game. You can take advantage of Proton right now. You don't need to wait for one specific distro.

I've personally been gaming on Linux exclusively for about 3 years. Windows games, not Linux games.

Edit: based on other commenters' suggestions, I'll give you some.

I have gamed for those three years on PopOS. It is a distro based on Debian, ultimately, which means it's also related to Ubuntu and Mint. Realistically, you can pick any of those 4 and you should have a nice experience.

Arch is popular with the übergeeks, and I do use it on my laptop, BTW, but you shouldn't use it as a first distro.

The concept of "distro" doesn't really exist for Windows, because you pretty much get one monolithic product. But basically, it is a specific mix of software that works together and relies on the Linux kernel. Imagine it as a "version" of Windows with specific goals, some of which are overlapping (e.g. Mint and Ubuntu tend to cater to the same audience).

If you get far enough into it, the freedom that Linux allows means that you can turn any distro into any other distro.

[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 day ago (13 children)

"Pick a distro" is why they're waiting for steamos, presumably.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

Some game developers (AGS) won't turn on EAC for their games (Lost Ark).

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 23 hours ago (21 children)

I just build a new gaming/creative pc, decided to make the jump to linux mint while i was setting up something new. And I honestly expected more hickups than i got, nothing which a quick search didn't fix except for one. My xbox controller won't connect over Bluetooth, it works when connected through a cable though. But I also noticed some stick drift, so I'm tossing it and order an 8bitdo which has those magentic sticks (forgot the name) and linux compatibility.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 23 hours ago

Every game I bought on Steam under Windows runs great on Steam in Linux Mint. The few games I didn't buy on Steam (Deus Ex, Giants: Citizen Kabuto) run great on Wine, using the default settings.

Adopting Proton was the smartest thing Valve ever did. They're going to get about 90% of gamers migrating from Windows to Linux, who don't want to fiddle with configuration settings.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I saw a post on bluesky saying Steamdeck can't be widely adopted because of linux. I asked why is that the case? He says "Linux doesn't run as many games as windows ". I said "only a few and the anti cheat ones". He kept arguing. I asked him about nintendo and he goes "It has the games to back it up" and I blocked him lol.

Millions of games are not enough because its FOMO.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Linux doesn't run as many games as Windows

I'd argue it runs more due to compatibility breaks. Wine just-werks with a lot of old installers.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've been using Linux exclusively for ~14 years now. Heavily gaming on Linux only for the last ~8 years.

It was possible (though sometimes headache inducing) to play most games back then (Wine and soon Proton to thank) the biggest change IMHO came with SteamPlay since it turned the headache into one click on most games (thanks to the amazing work of wine/proton developers and the tinkering of the community).

When the SteamDeck released people seemed surprised at the breadth of games that were running on day one. To me it was not really a surprise since I had been Linux gaming with SteamPlay all the time and was almost expecting games to "just work" (though I still would and still am checking ProtonDB before purchase).

What the SteamDeck changed in my view was

  1. Showing "everyone" that Linux Gaming is a thing that's happening and been happening for a while. So maybe check it out?
  2. That a Handheld that doesn't have to work around Windows but uses a purpose built OS just makes a lot more sense

I feel that the SteamDeck with SteamOS has really put Linux, especially Linux gaming on the map. Even though I want to be like "Linux Gaming has been a thing forever, I was doing it before it was cool" ;) I have to recognize that fact. In the past years I've seen so many people setting up Linux especially by the way of SteamOS (using HoloISO, Chimera ...) just to play/mess with it which is also why I think an Official SteamOS release will make a huge difference.

Tl;dr: Gaming on Linux was a thing before. But the SteamDeck/SteamOS 3 made a huge impact nonetheless.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago (9 children)

When SteamOS releases on all devices people will say "I'll switch when every peice of Windows software is compatible" or some other unreasonable and impossible accomplishment. Even if every peice of Windows software was compatible people would say "ill switch to Linux when it looks and functions identically to Windows".

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

I just did that. I have a dual boot laptop where Windows was used exclusively for games, and instead of upgrading that I built myself a PC with an AMD GPU (Nvidia, fuck you!).

So far I haven't run into any problem that I couldn't easily solve, and the only games that won't run are those demanding I install an anti cheat system, but I'm fine not playing those.

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