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Defiant Joe Rogan insists he’s not a propaganda asset, just actually this stupid
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Didn't the guy host the incoming president of usa and his allies? Looks indeed like a propaganda asset to me but not russia propaganda.
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Podcasts are literally destroying the fabric of our society.
Kill the internet. We simply aren't responsible enough for it.
We're letting too many stupids with microphones warp our brains.
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Joe Rogan was actually a big Bernie Sanders supporter. It was only after Sanders betrayed the working class by first endorsing Hilary and then Biden that he and a lot of other people on the left turned to Trump. Sanders endorsing Hilary is what won Trump the election. If you actually listen to some of his podcasts he is very left wing economically, constantly talking about corporations screwing working class people and the world for the sake of profit. Contrary to poplar narratives Trump supporters are not actually all racist morons, they are just pissed at the system. It's funny how things have turned into their opposite. In the 00s the Republicans were the pro-war and pro-censorship party. Now it's the Democrats. As for the war in Ukraine, that's not Joe Rogan's own opinion, it's actually the thesis of one of the smartest scholars in geopolitics, John Mearsheimer.
This is a whole lot of nonesense. Bernie wasn't ever the nominee. how does him endorsing the Democratic nominee push people on the left to vote for Trump when they support Bernie? By that logic if Bernie would have endorsed Trump then those voters would have voted for Hillary.
And if you've been paying attention and vote for an openly racist and sexist moron you are yourself a racist and sexist moron. There's not a way around that. I can't say I respect women and minorities and then turn around and vote for a guy that's going to make womens' and minorities lives' so much worse. Best case I could make is that I wasn't at all paying attention and I didn't really know what I was voting for. Which isn't exactly a good look either.
And just because dems are moving further right insofar as supporting the war in Ukraine and the Genocide in Palestine that doesn't mean that Republicans have somehow flipped to being the progressive, anti-war, anti-cencorship party. Dems have moved further right sure, but Republicans have driven right off the end of the right side of the scale.
I agree with most that you said, except supporting Ukraine does not mean moving rightwing. Most western far right parties actually support Russia and are in turn supported by Russia, which actually makes it so that supporting Ukraine against Russian agression is explicitly not a rightwing thing to do.
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Bernie wasn’t ever the nominee. how does him endorsing the Democratic nominee push people on the left to vote for Trump when they support Bernie?
He wasn't the nominee because the DNC screwed him over in 2016 in favor of Hilary. At that point Sanders had a choice, he could either break with the right wing democratic party or support the official democratic nominee. This was a historic opportunity to break apart the two-party system of the US and Sanders squandered it. The decision to endorse Hilary was seen by a large part of his support base as betrayal. Contradictory as it may seem both Sanders and Trump had tapped in the same mood of discontent among the masses. They were both seen as anti-establishment candidates and there was a big overlap among the people who supported them. But unlike Trump Sanders embraced the failed strategy of "lesser-evilism" and that directly led to Trump's victory. If Sanders had stood firm history may have been different.
As for the Republicans going left wing. Neither of the two US parties is left wing but it's a fact that the Republicans have taken the role from the Democrats of pretending to support the working class. They even use the phrase "working class" now, even on Fox News. That was unheard of only 10 years ago. When is the last time you heard a Democrat refer to the working class? It's all "middle class" for them. The Democrats are the party of Hollywood now, not the workers. So yea, the republicans are using left-wing rhetoric now, the dems are moving more and more to the right. Identity politics is not "left wing". It's just what passes for left wing in the US liberal circles, and people are tired of it.
History would be exactly what happened with Ralf Nader - everyone blaming him for the outcome.
I Nader's case it was the de facto most consequential election imo - Al Gore x Bush. We would be fighting climate change properly and the terrorism response would've been significantly different.
Bernie was pragmatic and lived to fight another day. And the progressive movement gained momentum.
And the progressive movement gained momentum.
There is nothing "progressive" about identity politics.
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Ah, I misinterpreted your meaning. Didn't realize you were saying the alternative was for Bernie to run as third party. While I disagree that that would have ended with a different outcome I can at least see your logic there. Fine.
But as far as the working class thing goes are you just arguing that Republicans are saying more lefty things or are you meaning to imply that they are actually more left leaning than Democrats? If it's the former I don't really see how that even matters. Whether Democrats say "middle" or "working" doesn't really change the fact that the economic policies put forward by the Harris campaign were designed to benefit lower income families and individuals while the policies put forward by the Trump campaign were designed to benefit the upper class. Republicans can say "working class" all they want. It doesn't mean they all of a sudden became progressive. Theyre just lying through their teeth. Just as they've always done. That's not to say no dem has ever lied but there's a vast divide between the two parties when it comes to their relationship with reality.
the economic policies put forward by the Harris campaign were designed to benefit lower income families and individuals while the policies put forward by the Trump campaign were designed to benefit the upper class.
They were both designed to benefit the upper class, let's not kid ourself. Also let's not forget that as the vice president of Biden, Harris is complicit in genocide. That is reason enough not to vote for her. I for one am glad Genocide Joe is leaving. Trump may be a reactionary bigot but maybe that's exactly what we need.
They were both designed to benefit the upper class, let's not kid ourself.
Except they objectively weren't. Harris's tax plan would have significantly increased taxes for the highest earners in the US. Whereas Trump is going to significantly cut the taxes of those same high earners. You're either being purposefully "both sides are bad" or you don't know what you're talking about.
Also let's not forget that as the vice president of Biden, Harris is complicit in genocide.
No arguments here. That's not what we were talking about. But let's not pretend that trump is somehow better in that regard when he is so so so much worse. At least Kamala tried to act like she didn't want to support Israel.
Trump may be a reactionary bigot but maybe that's exactly what we need.
Just truely a ridiculous statement.
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and wants it (the war) perpetuated
The way the USA has restricted ukraine from targeting inside russia, i would say yes to this one.
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