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I am a long term GrapheneOS user and would like to talk about it. r/privacy on the redditland blocks custom OS discussions which I think is very bad for user privacy, and I hope this post will be useful to anyone who are in the hunt for better privacy.

Nowadays smartphones are a much bigger threats to our privacy and Desktop systems, and unfortunately manufacturers has designed them to be locked down devices with no user freedom. You can't just "install Linux" on most smartphones and it is horrible. And most preloaded systems spy on us like crazy. That was why I specifically bought a pixel and loaded GOS onto it.

According to https://grapheneos.org/features , they start from base AOSP's latest version, imptoves upon it's security and significantly hardens it. There's hardened_malloc to.prevent against exploitation, disabling lots of debugging features, disabling USB-c data, hardening the Linux kernel and system apps etc. They even block accessing the hardware identifiers of the phone so that apps cannot detect whqt phone you're using. That means with Tor and zero permissions given, apps are anonymous.

Compatibility with apps are best in Custom ROMs but there are still that can't work, especially if they enforce device integrity. Very few apps usually enforce that tho. Also their community isn't the friendliest but you can get help. Just don't try and engage too much or have too many debates.

Anyone else here use GrapheneOS, or any other privacy ROMs? What is your experience? Do you disagree on any point? Let's have a discussion!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

My recommendation is GOS if you care about out of box experience and using gapps, DivestOS if you care about degoogling and removal of proprietary code. Both are hardened.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I use GrapheneOS but I don't like how Google Play-centric it is. It is geared towards people installing their "normal" apps with the GrapheneOS special sauce sandboxing. No F-Droid by default where all of the FOSS apps are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

By default there is nothing, it's a blank slate. It's up to you to decide what apps to use.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Screenshot for you. Google is explicitly linked to for easy setup. F-Droid is not. "There is nothing" is simply disingenuous.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

They are very security fovused and is against f-droid's poor security practices. They do push accrescent through their stores tho

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Last 4 or so phones have all been GrapheneOS (I'm not buying new phones all the time to be clear; I use phones till they break; I'm just a long-time user) and yeah I've really had no problems to speak of. I currently have a separate profile with Play services for certain apps, and also just to isolate non-privacy-respecting apps that I have to have installed for whatever reason.

Almost all the apps I use are FOSS apps who are aware that a significant amount of their userbase will be using various AOSP forks so I've not run into any app compatibility issues. Even back when I used banking apps, I'd used 4 different banks' apps on GrapheneOS and all of them worked completely fine. Now I don't have a banking app because I won't install proprietary software unless I actually have to for some reason, and I can bank on the web just fine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I had daily drove it for years, but recently started testing the water with iOS. Still have GOS on my secondary devices though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I was a long time lineageOS user and love the freedom of changing anything. I switched to grapheneOS and like it, but miss some features, that are just pointless and not relatable: no full AMOLED dark mode - the devs said the battery savings between dark and pure dark isn't relevant. and the other thing is: why is the white bar on the bottom not removable?

Because of these things I switched back to lineageOS and realised how dumb it is because of two optical features. GOS is definitely worth to look over two missing features and I switched back to GOS.

Anyway the most interesting transition from an lineage user to an grapheneOS user is, you realise that root isn't useful and more risk than fun.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Is the camera still good on Graphene? It is pretty much the only thing that holds my Oneplus 6T back.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (13 children)

I would love to buy a pixel to install GrapheneOS but ain't no way I'm giving google money and I don't know where I can buy a brand new pixel. There are currently 3 apps that scare me and not sure if they're even working on GOS and one is my bank app

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have no problem giving google money to pay for good hardware as lobg as they give me the freedom to do with it as I please.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This is what kinda scares me. Pixels are/were the only phone I know with a green/gray screen problem. Can't find images online (probably can't find the right words to search for it)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Check out Swappa. They usually have plenty of phones in various condition to pick from.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Regarding banking app, check privsec.dev 's list.

Regarding Pixel, don't see it as giving money to Google, see it as payingnfor good hardware.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How do you find it as a daily driver in terms of QoL features such as banking apps and payments etc?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Personally for me the most important thing in Android is automatic native call recording. If GrapheneOS gets that, I will consider buying a Google Pixel device.

Also, banking and other apps should stop using Play Integrity API.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's okay if they use the Play Integrity API, they just need to also whitelist the keys that sign the official Graphene OS ROMs. Not that I expect they'll do that, mind you...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

That would leave LineageOS and everything else broken.

I hope EU forces Google to make Android more open again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I would but my Pixel 6's USB connection is entirely useless. It hasn't successfully connected to a cable in over a year.

I was considering it for my next one, though, whenever that is. Don't really feel the need for an upgrade atm.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I would absolutely buy a Pixel, if only they supported sd-cards. I get that Google is pushing cloud-storage. If I smash my phone on the sidewalk, I still want to have a local storage, I can take out and thus make live backups to. There are just some features Pixels lack and privacy shouldn't lock you out of them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Not exactly good but the way I do it is to use a USB HDD to have backups and E2EE cloud solutions

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I have used it in the past on a Google Pixel 3A, and I've used Lineage OS for many years as well.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I'm on it for a few weeks on my new Pixel 7 a. Looks painless, though I haven't migrated fully yet. Lineage OS on my old phone and tablet. Waiting for Pixel tablet sale to run GrapheneOS there too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I've been using it for many months and I like it a lot. Only one of my banking apps doesn't work.

Currently my main issue is that webauthn stopped working after an update. And the community support hasn't been helpful.

I wish they had better documentation in general.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've been using it for a few months. Very happy with it. Minimalistic initial setup, gives you the feeling of control as well as privacy, bank apps work splendidly... an effortless transition, I say as somebody who previously used iPhone but wasn't tied into the ecosystem.

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[–] xav 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm buying a Pixel, I'll try it soon. But for now I like LineageOS+MicroG very much.

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