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Yesterday, an unexpected admin post was made announcing that hexbear would be shutting down and recreating two of their most popular communities (a): the_dunk_tank and dredge_tank. For those who are not aware, those two are some of the most notorious comms in the threadiverse which routinely cause inter-lemmy drama (disclaimer, the deteriorating relations between our instance and hexbear and my own ban from hexbear was ultimately triggered by various posts in the_dunk_tank)

The stated reason was to promote more thoughtful discussions and to prevent a white cishet mindset which was apparently promoted by the content in those comms, according to the mods and admins.

Within a day 1.3 thousand comments were made with hexbear regulars upset at this decision and discussing within.

However, before this announcement, the top admin of hexbear posted in the cross-lemmy admin matrix chat urging other admins to close down their "drama communities" as well.

Hexbears caught wind of this and quickly accused the admin of duplicity, and having other motives instead of their stated ones. The admin in question as defense admitted that it was their attempt to manipulate other lemmy instance admins and it backfired on them

After a whole day of this, the main admin decided to step away from hexbear (a) , followed by more resignations (a)

In the midst of this, people realize another old-mod had recently come back after a 3-year hiatus, and now people start suspecting some correlation. That mod makes a public post (a) before shortly after deleting their account.

There's also smaller pieces of chaos ongoing, such as one admin, banning one of their alts "as a bit" using wording that they were not aware is misgendering ("fella") which caused other hexbears to pile on. Eventually that was resolved, and admins are asked to tone down the "bit doing" during this heated period.

This "struggle session" is still ongoing, with people are asking the resigned mod to come back , and other admins unbanning accounts which were getting banned left and right(a) but it seems those popular comms still remain shut down.

EDIT: Even lemmygrad is wondering what the hell is going on

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Honestly I think this speaks to the value of having user-level blocking of instances rather than defederation. Maybe one day that will be incorporated into Lemmy (or similar).

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can do it now in PieFed, or some apps like Sync or Connect. Otherwise you can only block communities but not all users from an instance, short of becoming an admin yourself or moving to one that has done what you wanted to see done. More details in [email protected].

I doubt we'll ever see it in Lemmy proper, especially as the protections that were offered in the past took so long to arrive and then were subsequently rolled back to become weaker - it's just not a priority for the admins who constantly ban others at the drop of a hat, but don't seem to want to build tools that allow the reverse.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (11 children)

I had no idea that was built into piefed, that's great!

App-based is... Not great IMO, it needs to be part of the base or its just not viable.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago

I’m so glad I don’t have to see their BS. Very happy being defederated.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I like popcorn.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

The election is over so it's obviously time for an instance wide reorg.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago

The hexbear folks can have their clownshow, just keep it in the clowncar. Sounds like the drivers are tripping balls and the clowncar needs some maintenance.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Those people could really get some hobbies

Like imagine sperging online about communism 24/7

It’s actually incredibly sad that these people have nothing better to do with their lives. I pity them and hope they get well at some point

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I got curious and read a couple of the threads. I think they are mentally ill. In my brief interactions with them, they called me a liberal and sent me threats of violence, and didn't want to hear about reasons why Biden was good. Fair enough. This whole mess sounds for all the world like an LLM hallucinating a deranged exaggerated caricature of a far-left community.

I can't even make sense of it. An admin went on an alt account, and banned their own main account, and then everyone got really mad about that, because they were being transphobic when they sent a message to their other account, and now they're saying the whole thing was a "bit," and the site has too many male users, and there are a whole bunch of people who got banned somehow that they're now unbanning, and also they're tightening up their policy about bigotry and apologizing because they blamed the whole thing in the end on the males, and that explanation would imply there's a difference between men and women, which they can't do. It was a struggle session. I am not making any of that up.

As far as I can tell, there is no problem at all and never was, and they managed to create a massive problem. It's like someone was walking down the street, and somehow fell down, and all of a sudden their leg fell off. I did learn some new words, though.

Bioessentialist.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't know enough about Hexbear, my interactions with them in the communities I go to have been overwhelmingly positive. But I recognise the toxicity elsewhere. That said, the moderators and admins here were clearly on the right side and tried to make positive changes. It's a shame there's opposition to that.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Of course the members of an extremist echochamber tend to usually be friendly towards each other. Makes it even more amusing when we see all hell breaking lose and the masks coming off.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

To this day, the only instance I have in my blocked list.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Aww, man! This is the first time I wish had not blocked carcosa on matrix!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Asking resigned mod to come back.

134 votes. 😳

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