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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Stop trying to condescend to me. Just because the Palestine policy is mere shades different between the two parties doesn’t make it any more acceptable. Both parties voted to cut UNRWA aid. Trump cut all aid to Palestinians, Biden resumed it then stopped it again. Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem and recognized the illegal settlements. Biden never undid that. Trump closed the Palestinian embassy in Washington and Biden kept it closed.

What kind of nonsense is this? Republicans used to argue that since Bush was not as bad as Saddam he could get away with killing Iraqis too. It was a stupid argument and it’s also stupid now. Palestinians aren’t judging us by our speeches or Biden’s intentions, they’re judging us by our violent actions.

If Harris wanted us to vote for her, she could at least try to reach out to us. She pandered to everyone on that list except Arab Americans and Muslim Americans. Her campaign didn’t even allow a single Palestinian to endorse her at DNC. Biden detoured his campaign stops so he could avoid Arab-American voters, has Harris done any different? You’re asking me to vote for you even though your administration caused suffering of Palestinians I know in Palestine, and you won’t promise anything different?

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago (7 children)

The guy at the lever actually has the power to stop the trolley entirely.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But will they, that's the question.

They have the ability to, but if they won't, then we still end up with the same two choices. And if picking the other side won't make them change their mind, then whatever they can do is irrelevant in a conversation about what will produce the best tangible outcome.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I reject and condemn any system that says I can only choose between two genocidal monsters. There is no redeeming value to be had.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Then I suppose you simply must reject the world we live in right now.

Both sides are going to continue the genocide, we know that, it's their stated positions. The most we can do with our votes in the current election is take a stance of harm reduction, since that's the only choice available. Anything else won't make a change to the system of oppression facing the Palestinians today.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago (3 children)

There is no "harm reduction". I do reject the parts and people of the world that revel in or even accept the wholesale slaughter of children. Bargaining with their lives is moral bankruptcy, and signifies a total lack of value. Let me ask you a question: can you imagine anything that would cause you to not vote for the democrats? If full throated support for genocide isn't a bridge too far, I have to wonder if you have any absolute principles at all.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Liberals before they vote: I need to vote, any action to save democracy must be taken

Liberals after they vote: Welp time to do nothing for the next four years, also if you disagree with the Democrat president you're a threat to democracy and you hate freedom :3

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

Yeah where is this energy during the actual cycles of governance? Campaigning on important issues, grassroots activism and canvassing, volunteering with the various lobby groups... Nope the only thing that matters is that you Vote Blue.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And four years later they'll vote for a democrat whose positions are eerily similar to those of the republicans today, because it's the least bad option. Race to the bottom. Four years ago, republican anti-immigrant nonsense was ridiculed, and we laughed at the border wall shit. Now Harris is all for stronger borders, and Biden actually resumed building the wall. Four years ago we ridiculed Trump for "drill baby drill", today Harris is pro fracking, as she explained in her recent town hall with undecided voters. The vote blue no matter who crowd is flushing their democracy down the toilet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

"Give away your vote for nothing or you're a genocidal bigot" is "Pokemon Go to the polls" but for terminally online armchair activists and election tourists.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is in an unbelievable reduction of the reality, but sure. I'd also love a citation on how Trump will be worse for Palestine. Unless you're going to suggest something utterly outrageous like he's going to nuke the whole planet or something, the situation is already a horrific genocide. Harris and Biden are already funding and arming the genociders. Trump has said this is also what he plans to do. His main argument against Harris vis a vis Palestinian genocide is that he's better friends with Netanyahu.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

One thing I've learned this election cycle is how few people have any knowledge of utilitarianism. Genocide is better than genocide+1. Not acting is a moral choice, and frequently a cowardly one.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Me when I ignore state violence and genocide that happen under Dems. Maybe if we ask Dick Cheney nicely enough, he can get Harris to change her mind on policy.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago

TIFI

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